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My blue hero is about to be removed from battle by Bad Decision which will place my hero in an empty site. The last good enchancement I played was Ehud's Dagger which is basically a negate. Does Book of Jashar negate Bad Decision? My opponent claims that since Book of Jashar doesn't say interrupt or negate on it, I cannot negate? Who's correct?

It would copy ehud.
If the enhancement copied was not CBN then jashar would revert.

Please stop with all the abbreviations, I have no clue what they stand for and it would take me even longer time to look them up.  Can someone seriously answer this question, please!!!!!!!

I don't think that's right... unless there is an errata on Book of Jashar than I don't think either situation would work.  It's kinda like transfiguration.  You can't play it as a negate card even though, if you let it play out, it would end up negating the enhancement.

I don't think so because Book of Jashar basically "becomes" a Dagger of Ehud thus negating my opponent's Bad Decision.

Capture abilities are instantaneous [new reg] and since the character is in the process of being removed from battle the only option he has is to play a negate or interrupt. But Book isn't either, it's just a copy ability. I would agree if it stated "interrupt, then copy" something along those lines would make sense- interrupting the Bad Decision; then copying the dagger to negate the Bad Decision.

The Bad Decision is waiting to resolve and it gives my opponent initiative by either playing a negate or interrupt card... in which Book of Jashar isn't either. How could a "copy" ability interrupt another card from resolving to become a negate card itself? This logic doesn't make sense to me.

An interrupt or negate card must be played during the Battle Phase.  Interrupt cards can only be played if the player has initiative.  Initiative may be passed back to you if the character(s) being discarded, captured, or placed back in your hand put you in a situation where you are not winning. In most cases, an interrupt special ability must be played on a character being removed from battle, leaving no character in battle.  Play the interrupt card on the character being removed from battle prior to physically removing the character.  If an interrupt card cannot be played, the cards targeted for removal from battle are then physically removed. (these are pieces from the reg)

While the character is currently losing the battle because he's being "captured", he player only has 2 options to do- either interrupt it or negate it. Again, Book of Jashar is not an interrupt or a negate ability.

Capture abilities are instantaneous [new reg] and since the character is in the process of being removed from battle the only option he has is to play a negate or interrupt. But Book isn't either, it's just a copy ability. I would agree if it stated "interrupt, then copy" something along those lines would make sense- interrupting the Bad Decision; then copying the dagger to negate the Bad Decision.

The Bad Decision is waiting to resolve and it gives my opponent initiative by either playing a negate or interrupt card... in which Book of Jashar isn't either. How could a "copy" ability interrupt another card from resolving to become a negate card itself? This logic doesn't make sense to me.

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An interrupt or negate card must be played during the Battle Phase.  Interrupt cards can only be played if the player has initiative.  Initiative may be passed back to you if the character(s) being discarded, captured, or placed back in your hand put you in a situation where you are not winning. In most cases, an interrupt special ability must be played on a character being removed from battle, leaving no character in battle.  Play the interrupt card on the character being removed from battle prior to physically removing the character.  If an interrupt card cannot be played, the cards targeted for removal from battle are then physically removed. (these are pieces from the reg)

While the character is currently losing the battle because he's being "captured", he player only has 2 options to do- either interrupt it or negate it. Again, Book of Jashar is not an interrupt or a negate ability.

disagree

But by playing book of jashar it would become a direct copy which means that it would interrupt and prevent an enhancement. It would be the same if you had played an interrupt battle and draw three cards if u play book of jashar on that you would then interrupt the battle AGAIN and draw three more cards.

YES IT WOULD DEFINITELY NEGATE AN ENHANCEMENT

Disagree, it's not the same. It isn't an interrupt card. If the Bad Decision isn't interrupted or negated from the next enhancement (in which Book of Jashar isn't) the capture is instanteous.

but book of jashar becomes a negate instantaneously as soon as its played

Get a real moderator to answer it, it's nothing personal.

Quote from: fyero on May 18, 2010, 10:12:33 PM

but book of jashar becomes a negate instantaneously as soon as its played

No it wouldn't
Book's ability would make it a negate, but your hero wold have to be in battle for the ability to complete and negate the evil enhancement.
Just like transfiguration isn't a negate card

Agreed, the hero isn't in battle it's being captured by Bad Decision. Which is why it needs to be negated and/or interrupted right away but the player can't be playing Jashar as if it was a negate card just because they think they have initiative.

But then again, I'd appreciate it if a moderator just gave us the final word.

Quote from: fyero on May 18, 2010, 10:12:33 PM

but book of jashar becomes a negate instantaneously as soon as its played

No it wouldn't
Book's ability would make it a negate, but your hero wold have to be in battle for the ability to complete and negate the evil enhancement.
Just like transfiguration isn't a negate card

isn't the hero still in battle since battle hasn't resolved and I have initiative? Otherwise just give capture cannot be interrupted, prevented or negated. I still disagree.

Ok, what does the Book of Jashar's special ability literally say.  Let's start with that.  (Please write it).

Fact 1:

A negate has been previously played.

Fact 2:

A character is being discarded; of which, is an immediate action and thus can only be interrupted or negated.

Does the Book of Jashar have "Interrupt" in it's special ability?  If not, then the enhancement itself does not enter play/battle until AFTER the discard has resolved.  Since it's after the discard ability has resolved, the character is no longer in battle and thus can no longer be "Enhanced" so BoJ is not played  

The character is actually being captured not discarded. But we're on the same page, how can the book enter into battle without an interrupt ability? Only if and after the character has already been captured but then... whoops too late! That character couldn't even play the book to begin with since it won't be in battle anymore.

But since it is my initiative when you capture/discard me I can play an interrupt or negate if the capture/discard is not CBN - ok? Book of Jashar could negate it if there was a negate beforehand because as soon as you play it is the card played before it. It is that card it is no longer book of jashar it is that card, "an exact duplicate"

Quote from: BubbleBoy on May 18, 2010, 09:45:11 PM

Book of Jashar is a unique card. I think different rules apply to it. However, Redemption is not a game that allows things to happen that would be possible after they occurred (and thank goodness because I didn't even understand that sentence). The only way I can see Book of Jashar being able to copy a negate during "special initiative" is if it's ability somehow activated before entering play, which I'm pretty sure it does not unless the "ability" is actually an "identifier", and a dynamic one at that.

what do you mean by "identifier" & "dynamic"?

An "identifier" (or "attribute") is something that can be found in the identifier line. Anything in this line cannot be negated and is active outside of battle. Take Emperor Vitellius for example:

"X = NUMBER OF GOOD BRIGADES OPPONENT HAS IN PLAY" is not an ability that can be negated, but rather a definition of the card.

"Dynamic" means that its effect changes continuously based on external factors. In the case of Book of Jashar being dynamic (which I'm pretty sure it isn't at the moment), that would mean that whenever you play an enhancement in battle, BoJ's identity would change accordingly.

So if Book of Jashar's "ability" was really a dynamic identifier (or attribute or abilifier or special function or whatever you want to call it), then it would always exist as a copy of the last enhancement you played in battle, no matter what location it was in.