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If Samaritan Water Jar sets aside an artifact or a fortress, can I activate the same artifact, or place down the same fortress that is set aside from Water Jar?

Somewhat related question - If Chamber of Angels or Gates of Hell gets set-aside can I use thier abilities?

If I had an O.T. hero set-aside could I move him into Kerith Ravine?

Somewhat related question - If Chamber of Angels or Gates of Hell gets set-aside can I use thier abilities?

Tim Maly told me yes at the T2 tournament. Any fortress that is active in set-aside can be activated by SWJ.

If I had an O.T. hero set-aside could I move him into Kerith Ravine?

I always thought that you had to put him there on the same turn you set him aside, but I've never really used Kerith Ravine, so I'm not familiar with the rule. If you can put a hero from set-aside there, I don't see why you couldn't do it following SWJ. If you can't put a hero from set-aside there, I don't see how you could following SWJ.

Samaritan Water Jar
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard this card to reveal the top 3 cards of an opponent's deck (or 9 if a Samaritan Hero is in play) and set them aside. Put Lost Souls in play instead. When that deck has no cards, return those cards from set-aside to deck. • Identifiers: None • Verse: John 4:28-29

Instant Abilities > Search, Reveal, or Exchange
General Description
A search card allows you to look at the cards in a deck, artifact pile, or a player’s hand.  Searching implies only you see the targeted card(s).  Reveal means that all players see the targeted card(s).  Random selection from an opponent’s hand or selecting from your own hand are not considered a search or a reveal. You may not look at cards in any draw pile or discard pile (other than the top card of the discard pile) unless a special ability on a card allows a player to search a deck (see Beginning a Game in the rulebook [p. 5]).

A revealed card is considered to be in the same location from which it is revealed. Revealing a card makes the card visible to all players.

A revealed card is not considered "in play" unless a special ability instructs to put it in play, as evidenced on this card by the sentence, "Put Lost Souls in play instead".  Essentially, SWJ sets aside part of your deck.  As such, the cards are still "revealed cards" in the set-aside area and cannot be targeted by any ability that doesn't specifically target revealed cards or deck in set-aside.

So nothing can be done with the cards set-aside by SWJ until the trigger is met.

It's not a heirarchy.  If there's any pecking order to the process, it's 1). Rob, 2). everyone else.

.... which I guess, yeah, you're right, he's number 2 on the list. 

STAMP is not on the list of 12, so STAMP is nothing.  Therefore, you are correct when you say Tim > STAMP.

STAMP is only interpreting the rules/REG as any good judge would do, retired or otherwise.

But in this case, Tim is wrong.  Perish the thought, but sadly tis true.

You cannot activate cards in set-aside.  Therefore, the fortresses are not active set-aside with SWJ.  Fortresses are activated by putting them into play during prep phase.  That's why the SA on Chamber says, "Set this fortress aside."  It would be completely illogical and redundant to activate a fortress IN set-aside when the card says to set it aside.

STAMP is not on the list of 12, so STAMP is nothing. 

But all is not lost, for it is also clear that STAMP is not Nobody, because "Tim > STAMP" and Tim is Nobody.

In fact, some players live in the Northwest and are retired. STAMP lives in the Northwest and is retired. Hence STAMP is some player!

qed

Dispite my recient track record of disagreeing with the initial ruling, I agree with this one. The card needs to be PLAYED to activate. Just putting it in the area via another ability isnt the same as playing it to activate its ability. The only exception to this would be like, exchanging an enhancement or character into battle, but exchange has its own set of rules to go with it.

STAMP: AKA Some Player.... now only .04% official!