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Immunity question
« on: January 15, 2014, 02:23:55 AM »
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Joseph (Blue/Green) is blocked by Winged Lion (Immune to Green). Can Joseph defeat Lion using Blue enhancements?
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Re: Immunity question
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2014, 10:01:58 AM »
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Immunity states: "A card that is immune cannot be targeted by an ability that is on a card to which it is immune or on a card played on that card."

As such, I would think that Winged Lion would also be immune to blue enhancements played on Joseph.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2014, 10:26:39 AM by browarod »

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Re: Immunity question
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2014, 10:40:50 AM »
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I know the rule used to be that immunity only applied to the specific color, and to be immune to a character due to brigades, you had to be immune to all brigades of that character. I can't find where this is in the current REG though.
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Re: Immunity question
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2014, 12:53:04 PM »
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Not sure if this distinction applies but does it matter that Winged Lion is "Immune to Green Brigade" and not "Immune to Green Heroes"?
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Re: Immunity question
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2014, 02:21:31 PM »
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I don't think it would. Blue cards are still played on Joseph which the Immunity entry specifies are also unable to target an immune character. :2cents:

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Re: Immunity question
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2014, 04:48:44 PM »
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Agree with browarod, the rules are pretty clear that something can be immune if it is immune to any part of the other card, which is also consistent with other abilities we have (I have also never seen it ruled otherwise, nor can I find a rule to the contrary).  Also agree that "Green Brigade" refers to all cards of green brigade, meaning it refers to characters and enhancements both.

So if the EC is immune to green brigade, it is immune to Joseph; if it is immune to Joseph, it is immune to any cards played on him, regardless of brigade (even if you Coat of Many Colors or any other silliness).

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Re: Immunity question
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2014, 01:01:50 PM »
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I can understand the reasoning put forth by browarod and Redoubter, and I'm sure that is how it ought to be ruled.  However, I think that Blue enhancements played by Joseph against Winged Lion should work.  Here's why.

Joseph is both a Green hero and a Blue hero.  We know that brigades matter when played in battle; if you attack with Cherubim banded to ET and play a Silver GE, ET is adding the GE to battle, but it is not "played" by him.  It is played by Cherubim.  If Cherubim entered battle after an EC was already blocking (by a banding GE or something), and the EC was immune to Purple, the Silver GE could still target the EC, because it is being played by Cherubim.

My conclusion is, brigades matter; Green Joseph is not playing a GE.  Blue Joseph is.  If there were two heroes (one Green and one Blue) in battle, the Blue GE works; but because they are the same character, the Blue GE doesn't?  I guess I just think that multi-brigade heroes should be severable for immunity.
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Re: Immunity question
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2014, 02:38:07 PM »
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The way I see brigades is much like identifiers, or like aspects of a person in real life. If I have brown hair (green brigade) and fair skin (blue brigade) and there's a women that doesn't like brown-haired men (immune to green), she wouldn't like me even if she DOES like fair-skinned men (not immune to blue). Even if I gave her a flyer about the wonders of fair skin (blue enhancement), she still wouldn't like me because of my brown hair (immunity to green). If I gave her a flyer about the wonders of brown hair (green enhancement) then she REALLY wouldn't like me. :P

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Re: Immunity question
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2014, 04:49:14 PM »
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Joseph is both a Green hero and a Blue hero.
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My conclusion is, brigades matter; Green Joseph is not playing a GE.  Blue Joseph is.  If there were two heroes (one Green and one Blue) in battle, the Blue GE works; but because they are the same character, the Blue GE doesn't?

He is actually a hero who is Blue and Green at the same time.  You don't get to pick and choose what brigade he is, he is always both brigades.  The two character example is different because they are two different characters...one character cannot be two.

By your logic, if I ignore Gold, then Foreign Wives can still block.  She's obviously a brigade other than Gold, so why not?

But that does not work, because she fits the description for the type of card that is ignored.  She can't enter battle, and even if she did, the character ignoring Gold would still be immune (through ignore) to anything she played.

TL;DR - Multi cards are all their brigades at the same time, they don't get to pick which one they are.

 


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