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Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« on: January 20, 2012, 07:57:43 PM »
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If her ability is negated (in another battle, after she's almost been discarded once), she stays alive and retains the 2/2, correct?  I think so, but I can't find anything in the REG.

Jairus’ Daughter (H)

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: White • Ability: 4 / 3 • Class: none • Special Ability: The first time this hero is about to be discarded, return her to your territory and increase her by 2/2. • Play As: The first time this character is discarded, return her to owner's territory with abilities increased 2/2 instead. • Identifiers: NT Female Human • Verse: Mark 5:41-42 • Availability: H Deck
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Re: Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2012, 09:07:27 PM »
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Yes. I'd argue that the return to territory and increase is an instant ability after the first battle.

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Re: Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2012, 09:34:16 AM »
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Once Jairus' Daughter has healed herself once, the increase is permanent until she leaves play. After that battle, the increase and having-been-healed-ness are gained abilities, which can never be negated.
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Re: Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2012, 07:13:01 PM »
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I thought that gained abilities only came from setaside.
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Re: Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 12:18:29 PM »
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I think Tim is incorrect about the increase gaining "gained ability" status (though that's probably just semantics), but it does become a permanent increase. Just as a Gates of Samaria decrease/increase is unnegatable after the phase in which it is applied, so would the increase on Jairus' Daughter. At least I think that's how it is.

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Re: Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 08:54:03 PM »
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Whether it's a gained ability or permanent increase is semantics.
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Re: Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2012, 03:02:13 PM »
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Whether it's a gained ability or permanent increase is semantics.

Perhaps, but even so, I think it's important to establish which it is as a precedent in case some such scenario comes up later.

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Re: Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 04:10:36 PM »
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Tim is correct.  Characters may receive gained abilities from cards other than set-asides.  They cannot be negated following the phase in which they are received for the duration the character doesn't get reset.
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Re: Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 04:15:24 PM »
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Tim is correct.  Characters may receive gained abilities from cards other than set-asides.
I've never heard that. Is it in the REG somewhere that I might have just missed?

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Re: Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 04:48:07 PM »
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Tim is correct.  Characters may receive gained abilities from cards other than set-asides.
I've never heard that. Is it in the REG somewhere that I might have just missed?

Don't know.  But it's been a valid rule ever since Women's expansion (see: Love for Rachel).
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Re: Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 04:56:21 PM »
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Is there even a page for Gained Abilities in the REG? I can't find one, but I only glanced at it.

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Re: Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 07:33:49 PM »
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Love for Rachel is the example that breaks the mold. And I as far as which it is, I really do want to know when it would ever matter?
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Re: Jarius' Daughter vs. Sapphira
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2012, 09:23:33 PM »
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