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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #75 on: February 28, 2010, 10:18:18 PM »
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Instead of lockage, can we get an official statement on if balance targets instantaneously, or if it is continuous?

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #76 on: March 01, 2010, 03:07:45 AM »
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Well, ultimately, what he brought was one Jedi and no Sith.
Actually 2 Jedi...don't forget Leah.

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #77 on: March 01, 2010, 06:59:45 AM »
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Well, ultimately, what he brought was one Jedi and no Sith.
Actually 2 Jedi...don't forget Leah.

Having the force-potential of being a Jedi does not make you a Jedi, just as being a Captured Hero does not make you a hero.  ;)
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« Reply #78 on: March 01, 2010, 07:29:33 AM »
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Actually 2 Jedi...don't forget Leah.

She never became a Jedi.  The Force is strong with her but she never underwent the training.

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #79 on: March 01, 2010, 07:44:34 AM »
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actually, she did eventually become a jedi knight.
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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #80 on: March 01, 2010, 08:57:14 AM »
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once again read the miumlm falcon or leacly of the jedi.
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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #81 on: March 01, 2010, 09:10:15 AM »
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I was told the EU is not applying to this discussion.  Either it is or it is not, but don't get on my case for playing by other people's rules.

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #82 on: March 02, 2010, 03:52:38 PM »
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why does nobody accpt the EU?lucas said it is canon.
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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #83 on: March 02, 2010, 04:28:40 PM »
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Because the large majority of it ruined Star Wars and make Twilight look like good literature.

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #84 on: March 02, 2010, 05:03:24 PM »
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how?i read some it's pretty good.
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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #85 on: March 02, 2010, 05:14:58 PM »
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The Zahn Trilogy, mostly.

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #86 on: March 02, 2010, 05:21:48 PM »
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There was a movie about that right? Star Wars IX: The Wrath of Zahn, starring Ricardo Montalban.
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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #87 on: March 02, 2010, 05:22:43 PM »
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So was the question ever answered?  Or am I going to have to use the Force on this one?   :D

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #88 on: March 02, 2010, 05:36:41 PM »
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The Zahn Trilogy, mostly.
There was a movie about that right? Star Wars IX: The Wrath of Zahn, starring Ricardo Montalban.

Wasn't Saving Silverman, Daddy Day Care, and Sahara the original Wrath of Zahn?
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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #89 on: March 03, 2010, 04:35:07 PM »
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:bump:

Any decision yet on the original issue?
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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #90 on: March 04, 2010, 08:17:51 PM »
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It's hasn't been forgotten or overlooked, it simply hasn't been resolved yet. Stay tuned.

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #91 on: March 06, 2010, 10:02:51 AM »
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Balance
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Silver/Red • Ability: 2 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: If two or more Heroes are in battle and if there are more evil cards in play than good cards, discard evil cards from play until the number of evil cards equals the number of good cards. • Play As: If two or more Heroes are in battle and if there are more evil cards in play than good cards, discard evil cards from play until the number of evil cards is less than or equal to the number of good cards. • Identifiers: NT, Depicts a Weapon • Verse: Galatians 6:2 • Availability: Angel Wars booster packs (Ultra Rare)

This "play as" uses language that should be easier to understand and interpret. Remember that you have to count all evil cards that are in play - even if they are placed. You also have to consider or "count" placed cards when you are targeting evil cards for discard. "Discard" is the operative word, so you do so until the condition is met. It may be possible that your last discard may put your count over the limit, and that is now more clearly stated.

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #92 on: March 06, 2010, 12:02:58 PM »
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Im not sure if that play as answers the main question...

Are the targets of balance decided instantly, or one at a time?

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #93 on: March 06, 2010, 12:33:56 PM »
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Until is used in the context of something that is ongoing. For example, Faith as Children "Your Heroes gain 4/4 until end of turn." If until is used to describe something ongoing, then I think you have to check the balance as you are discarding.

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #94 on: March 06, 2010, 12:56:42 PM »
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And it still doesn't address when the condition cannot be met, i.e. number of evil cards > good cards.
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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #95 on: March 06, 2010, 01:05:19 PM »
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Until is used in the context of something that is ongoing. For example, Faith as Children "Your Heroes gain 4/4 until end of turn." If until is used to describe something ongoing, then I think you have to check the balance as you are discarding.

Thats not ongoing targeting though. Thats an ongoing ability that selects all of its targets instantly.

I still have yet to see a card that has an ongoing TARGET process.

And it still doesn't address when the condition cannot be met, i.e. number of evil cards > good cards.

Based on the play as, and if it was to be continuous...

If Evil > Good, you discard cards.
If Evil = Good, you stop.
If Evil < Good, you stop.

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #96 on: March 06, 2010, 06:24:39 PM »
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So was there ever an answer for dealing with protection?

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #97 on: March 06, 2010, 07:17:51 PM »
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That wouldnt change regardless. Discarding a card without negating it does not cancel the ability until that phase ends.

So, you can snipe a protection fort, but its protection would stop you from killing the evil characters either way.

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #98 on: March 06, 2010, 08:17:45 PM »
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That wouldnt change regardless. Discarding a card without negating it does not cancel the ability until that phase ends.

So, you can snipe a protection fort, but its protection would stop you from killing the evil characters either way.

Right!  So the whole issue is that you can't discard protected cards which could make it where you could not get rid of enough evil cards for the card to "quit trying to discard" for lack of better terms.

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Re: Balance questions
« Reply #99 on: March 06, 2010, 08:21:09 PM »
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Ahh, I see what you mean now. As said before, I'd assume its a do-as-much-as-possible type of ability. If you legally cannot discard enough evil cards to bring balance, then (A) you played the card at the wrong time, and (B) you'd just discard as much as you can.

 


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