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If the trigger is only evaluated once, then given the wording on the card (barring an errata) once the number of evil cards is less than the number of good cards, you will keep discarding evil as long as there is an evil card that can be discarded.

Wha?

Right.

Let's say you discard KotW or something that makes it so you would end up with 5 evil cards in play and 6 good cards. Balance states "discard evil cards from play until the number of evil cards equals the number of good cards." Is 5 equal to 6? No it is not, so given the SA as written I have to discard an evil card. Now I have 4 evil cards. Rinse and repeat.

If you treat the "until" as dynamic the only way to avoid this problem is to re-evaluate the trigger on each discard. If "until" implies instantaneous targeting, as you suggest, this problem does not arise.

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on Today at 02:00:48 AM
Okay so if the argument is # d/c'd evil cards, vs # targetted, what happens with a loaded dorkness? Two evil cards WILL hit the d/c pile and one of them wasn't included in the check....
It would be standard Redemption targeting. You would only target The Darkness as one of the cards you are discarding with Balance. The face down evil card goes along for the ride, by game rule, even though it wasn't targeted. Any good player would do that all the time.

Precisely. If its the # of evil cards d/c'd being counted and they are being counted 1 at a time dorkness would waste 2 evil kills rather than the 1 it should (since the ec was OOP)

Considering all of the in-game scenarios mentioned I really think we'll hardly ever see Balance bring balance to the table when it is played.  Unfortunate.   

I Am Redemption: "Return your captured Heroes to your territory.  Cannot be negated by an evil card."

Just based on that card, I'd say captured heroes in RC are considered good cards. Also, people in RC/ Demonic Stronghold arent treated like Lost Souls either.

Captured cards retain their identifiers, and brigade is an identifier. That means we know what is evil and what is good.

Mike

Well, ultimately, what he brought was one Jedi and no Sith.

Tough to balance someone over one's head with one hand and one mechanical stump.

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 27, 2010, 09:23:29 AM

What about that phrase makes you think they are good?

Perhaps the word "heroes?"   

Well, a captured hero in my land of bondage is also returned via IaR...but since it is treated as a Lost Soul, I assumed it was neutral. Are we really saying that I could use the discarder lost soul to discard a captured EC and make you discard a good card?

Captured cards retain their identifiers, and brigade is an identifier. That means we know what is evil and what is good.

Mike

Also, I thought this myth was dispelled when someone tried to use Arioch to discard a male, human (both identifiers) from territory that happened to be a captured character to put an LS under deck. If this has changed, then Arioch may have just replaced Nebuchadnezzar as "the best EC in the game".

Actually this claim was reinforced when Arioch looked around and was prevented from doing anything at all because the other guy had a captured prophet (an identifier) sitting in his land of bondage.

It's not the identifiers that were the issue in the Arioch case. Bryon made a distinction between targeting a card in the LoB and noticing a card in the LoB, and claimed this was important. (To this day see nothing but inconsistency in ruling the two differently.) Anywhoo... the ruling most definitely did not deal with identifiers somehow being lost on capture.

Oh. Well that's silly.

read the leagacy of the jedi series there will be alot of dark momets like luke almost killing his nephew.

ok. note anakin turned to the dark

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