Cactus Game Design Message Boards

I was playing a game the other day, and I ran across a new situation (new for me at least). My opponent had the Assyrian Camp in play, which protects all Assyrian evil characters in the holder's territory from discard, conversion, and capture unless King Hezekiah is in play or set-aside. I started a rescue attempt and used Sowing the Seed (which decreases the human evil character 2/2 until it reaches */0 and then becomes a green brigade hero. The effect then jumps to another evil character in that person's territory) on her evil Assyrian character in battle. I lost the battle, but the card was not negated and thus went back with the evil Assyrian. The dilemma is this, does the Assyrian Camp prevent Sowing the Seed's ability?

The Evil Character would be decreased but protected from discard and conversion. Since neither happen, Sowing cannot move to a different EC. If the EC leaves territory, it would be discarded by game rule.

Since the characters are also protected from conversion, nothing happens. It would just sit there as a */0 EC in territory.

Okay, I think I agree Browarod. My question now though is this: once the evil characters are brought down to a */0, can they even enter battle, or must they stay in the territory?

I would have to look at Sowing the Seed closer, (don't have the exact ability in front of me), but browarod could very well be correct.

I would disagree that "then" implies "only", it's just an explanation of what happens in what order. I don't see an indication in the ability that it's a cost:benefit ability (reset and convert the character instead to place on a new EC), it just seems like a list of things that happen in a specified order (decrease until /0 or less, reset and convert instead, place on new EC).

My thinking was the same as Praeceps, but I think both interpretations are valid--do we have any other "Then" cards that are worded similarly?

The only one that comes to mind is Haman's Plot:

Holder may discard any three characters in play or in a set-aside area. But, then, holder must tear this card in half. Cannot be interrupted, prevented or negated.

The only difference is that is has a "but, then" rather than just a "then" and I know if you don't activate the first ability the second doesn't happen.

There have been plenty of times where people have had to rip it with it having discarded nothing due to protection.

Why exactly? 

And don't consider my thoughts correct on your initial question, The Guardian is an Elder so his thoughts are more official than mine. I'd wait to get confirmation either way from another Elder or REP.

I definitely will. I guess all I meant was that your interpretation made more sense to me than The Guardian's did at first, but I see now how both of you have very valid points.

Because the trigger on StS is only met once (per character), as soon as the character hits /0 or less. It doesn't just sit there stewing and waiting to convert. Convert is an instant ability so it either happens when triggered or it doesn't.

I assume the elders are discussing this?

I disagree that this has an obvious ruling. I would recommend an Elder discussion, if one is not happening behind the scenes. What must happen before the "then" part triggers is very important. Other scenarios:

1.) What if an infected EC is decreased to */0 by another method (i.e. Crown of Thorns)?
2.) What if an infected EC is converted by another method (i.e. Holy Grail) before it reaches */0?

I think the original question is valid. What parts of Sowing the Seeds' SA are contingent upon the others (if at all)?

I've not ignored this thread.  I am trying to figure out the answer to something related first for certain, then I will return

I saw what you did there.