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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: STAMP on August 23, 2010, 02:55:02 PM
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In Jeopardy fashion I'll provide the answers to the questions that will likely follow: no, I'm not coming out of retirement, and yes, I still read threads on the boards. (Look, people trying to quit smoking still chew nicotine gum. ;) )
Why do we still not have a proofreader who takes part in the card-making process? Seriously, I believe there are enough anal-retentive people in the Redemption Community who would gladly volunteer their services. After 15 years I find it disconcerting that:
A) We still get cards with errors (e.g. Samuel misspelled), and
2) Special abilities are being cleverly written to account for some past errors.
Give someone the job of specifically doing the proofreading - someone who does NOT take part in the design, development, or playtesting of cards.
No, I'm not applying. There are plenty of qualified candidates.
Besides, the grass is greener on this side of retirement. :)
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I wholeheartedly agree.
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Very, very true.
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I've always been a stickler for spelling, and it bugs me when things are misspelled....
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Then theres the whole mess with Judas' Plot vs SoG NJ... I would have expected a quick answer from the playtesters.
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Philetus was misprinted as 11/4 instead of 5/6.
Aparently Gabe's SA isn't what it's supposed to be as well.
Eli the preist in RoA was supposed to be teal.
I agree with OP.
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120. CARD NAME: Goliath [Limited]
CARD TYPE: evil character
CLASS: Warrior
IDENTIFIERS: Philistine Giant, Taunt (place opponent’s Hero beneath deck)
STATS: 10/10
BRIGADE COLOR: black
SPECIAL ABILITY: Return all Heroes in battle to territory (except giant-slayers). Opponent may present a new Hero. Negate all band, draw, and play abilities. Cannot be negated.
SCRIPTURE: And the Philistine said to David, Come to me, and I will give thy flesh unto the fowls of the air, and to the beasts of the field. 1 Samuel 17:44
FREQUENCY: Regional Promo
ARTIST: same
Some things just aren't Cactus' fault.
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120. CARD NAME: Goliath [Limited]
CARD TYPE: evil character
CLASS: Warrior
IDENTIFIERS: Philistine Giant, Taunt (place opponent’s Hero beneath deck)
STATS: 10/10
BRIGADE COLOR: black
SPECIAL ABILITY: Return all Heroes in battle to territory (except giant-slayers). Opponent may present a new Hero. Negate all band, draw, and play abilities. Cannot be negated.
SCRIPTURE: And the Philistine said to David, Come to me, and I will give thy flesh unto the fowls of the air, and to the beasts of the field. 1 Samuel 17:44
FREQUENCY: Regional Promo
ARTIST: same
Some things just aren't Cactus' fault.
I'm not quite sure what you mean....
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Samuel is spelled correctly. It's a printer error - it is the printer that needs a proof reader, not Cactus.
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Samuel is spelled correctly. It's a printer error - it is the printer that needs a proof reader, not Cactus.
That is the text description. The printer only recognizes an image, not the text on the image. It is Cactus who misspelled Sammuel.
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tehy mispellld sammule
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I don't acknowledge Freudian innuendo terms, but I would gladly be an overbearing perfectionist to help the game. Just send me a PM with the appropriate 10-page application. My references include many Language Arts teachers.
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where do I sign up?!
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Yes, I would like to know as well
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I don't acknowledge Freudian innuendo terms, but I would gladly be an overbearing perfectionist to help the game. Just send me a PM with the appropriate 10-page application. My references include many Language Arts teachers.
But you're a math teach.....
And I still haven't found where I can view all the Disciples cards, because I'm interested in finding out where I can get this Goliath Promo. It would make a VERY welcome addition to my Philly Cheesesteak defense.
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Here you are my friend. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/disciplescards.htm) Just click on the card and then click on the set name for a picture.
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I don't acknowledge Freudian innuendo terms, but I would gladly be an overbearing perfectionist to help the game. Just send me a PM with the appropriate 10-page application. My references include many Language Arts teachers.
But you're a math teach.....
And I still haven't found where I can view all the Disciples cards, because I'm interested in finding out where I can get this Goliath Promo. It would make a VERY welcome addition to my Philly Cheesesteak defense.
not till next year :-\Here you are my friend. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/disciplescards.htm) Just click on the card and then click on the set name for a picture.
thats to disc cards, its under Promos :P
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But you're a math teach.....
Oh ye of little faith. YMT is dual-certified in Secondary Mathematics and Language Arts. w00t!
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Here you are my friend. (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/disciplescards.htm) Just click on the card and then click on the set name for a picture.
Thank you sir.
not till next year :-\
Uber sad face. But maybe I'll be able to make a tourney next year.... :o
Oh ye of little faith. YMT is dual-certified in Secondary Mathematics and Language Arts. w00t!
Oh snap, he be DUB TRUBS.
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I do my best to make sure these things don't happen, but there's nothing I can do from the time the document leaves our hands to the time it goes to the printer. I don't get to see the proofs.
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There are a lot of things that the elders never see. Rob lays out the cards, chooses the borders, types the numbers into the icon box, types or copy/pastes the game text onto the cards. He sometimes chooses free art to replace what we suggest from GoodSalt, etc. He trims references for space if we suggest a passage that is too long.
None of us get to see the proof sheets.
The only proof sheet I ever saw was for Angel Wars, and we did catch a few things on that. For example, Blast of Fire had been given a dragon icon instead of a skull.
I didn't catch the different special abilities on the Shadow evil character cards. Both were supposed to have the longer ability, but the shorter ability (from a previous version of the list) was left on the other copy of Shadow which is 5 rows down and 5 columns over from the correct one.
Sometimes the printer IS the source of the problem - or at least somewhere in the trasfer process there is a problem. For example, on my proof sheet, Invisible Beings has the entire special ability. Somehow the last 4.2 words of the ability were left off. Also, on my proof sheet, there is an Esther reference on Threatened Lives. On the actual card, the book is not there. I have a feeling that the transfer process might have increased the size of the fonts on those cards by a very small amount, and that bumped some of the text out of the visible area of the text box. I don't think Rob or Doug can be blamed for that.
Mike B. gets sent the images of the cards so that he can put them in the REG, but by that time it is too late to make any changes.
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Does this mean I don't get to be an overbearing perfectionist? I was really looking forward to it.
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I wondered about Philetus. Fortunately, that's a misprint I can live with. Also, the misprinting made Gabe MUCH better too. All in all, I'm glad Rob doesn't let anyone help with proofreading, otherwise my Prophets/Heretics deck would be a lot weaker.
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It's funny because most of the playtesters liked his last ability alot more.
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It's funny because most of the playtesters liked his last ability alot more.
What was his (Gabe's) last ability?
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He might be referring to the fact that at one point the Enhancement went to hand instead of being shuffled.
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He might be referring to the fact that at one point the Enhancement went to hand instead of being shuffled.
Wait, Gabe d/c's the enhancement.......? WA's is search & d/c ANY enhancement, KI's is evil enhancement.
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He might be referring to the fact that at one point the Enhancement went to hand instead of being shuffled.
Wait, Gabe d/c's the enhancement.......? WA's is search & d/c ANY enhancement, KI's is evil enhancement.
disciples.
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He might be referring to the fact that at one point the Enhancement went to hand instead of being shuffled.
Wait, Gabe d/c's the enhancement.......? WA's is search & d/c ANY enhancement, KI's is evil enhancement.
He means the new (Di) Gabe.
He might be referring to the fact that at one point the Enhancement went to hand instead of being shuffled.
New Gabe does take the enhancement to hand... :o?
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Ah. Is he a straight "g", or is he just a "meh" Hero?
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New Gabe does take the enhancement to hand... :o?
http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/gabrieldi.htm (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/gabrieldi.htm)
Search discard pile for a good Luke Enhancement and shuffle it into deck to protect Luke Heroes from capture and discard.
There seems to be some confusion here.
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New Gabe does take the enhancement to hand... :o?
http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/gabrieldi.htm (http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/gabrieldi.htm)
Search discard pile for a good Luke Enhancement and shuffle it into deck to protect Luke Heroes from capture and discard.
There seems to be some confusion here.
http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=22862.0 (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=22862.0)
Gabe is printed with the take to hand SA, but it's incorrect in the REG.
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Smokey is correct.
(https://www.cactusforums.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redemptionreg.com%2FREG%2FLinkedDocuments%2FGabriel%2520%28Di%29.gif&hash=8a9705326e20daefb683507c66c22169b8438333)
Since the REG entry is not errata, it needs to be changed, and the ability should be the one on the card.
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They accidentally Gabriel too powerful <3
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It could be worse; at one point it said "NT Enhancement" and people were able to infinitely recur Striking Herod.
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It could be worse; at one point it said "NT Enhancement" and people were able to infinitely recur Striking Herod.
O_O That would have been borked. Did it say N.T. Enhancement or N.T. Good Enhancement? That if the former, that would have been triple-borked.
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Yeah, that would be crazy,
That was actually a really early version of his ability, you had to choose two N.T.'s from your discard pile, your opponent picked one to discard, and the other went below your deck.
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You know, kind of like Envoy (http://dominiondeck.com/cards/envoy). ;)
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New Gabe = teh awexomez.
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New Gabe vs. Gabriel (wa) who wins?
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New Gabe vs. Gabriel (wa) who wins?
Depends on the deck. If I include Nazareth in a deck, I'd go with new Gabe for sure.
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is the new gabe considered a female?
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is the new gabe considered a female?
Genderless.
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is the new gabe considered a female?
No. Plenty of guys look like that. Just go to any large University campus, you're bound to see one or two.
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is the new gabe considered a female?
No. Plenty of guys look like that. Just go to any large University campus, you're bound to see one or two.
more than one or two for sure.(I have been to your campus before)
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The new Gabe is Gabe without his trademark beard.
That's right, picture a beard on that card, I know you're thinking what I'm thinking :)
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is the new gabe considered a female?
Genderless.
10th Anniv. Rulebook says if it looks male and Scripture verse indicates it is male, then it is male.
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is the new gabe considered a female?
Genderless.
The new Gabe is Gabe without his trademark beard.
That's right, picture a beard on that card, I know you're thinking what I'm thinking :)
O_o
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The new Gabe is Gabe without his trademark beard.
That's right, picture a beard on that card, I know you're thinking what I'm thinking :)
The circus comes to mind.....