Author Topic: Asahel/Jael & Passover and Unleavened Bread (Read 14705 times)

Sean · « **Reply #25 on:** May 13, 2010, 09:50:21 PM »

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If those are gained abilities, how can you draw before any of your heroes enter battle to activate the drawing ability? The same thing is happening here, it's just that instead of the trigger being "upon return" the trigger is "when one enters battle"

Then just make the trigger "upon return." Errata finalized.

SA: Set aside all of your human Heroes for one turn. Upon return, return an Evil Character in play to the bottom of its owner’s draw pile.

Master KChief · « **Reply #26 on:** May 13, 2010, 09:54:25 PM »

then that would drastically change how the card was meant to be played.

Sean · « **Reply #27 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:01:58 PM »

Well, I don't think it needs errata anyway so w/e.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #28 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:03:43 PM »

Quote from: Sean on May 13, 2010, 10:01:58 PM

Well, I don't think it needs errata anyway so w/e.

Agreed. Should we be "Errata"ing cards anyways? I'm really failing to see how this is "Game breaking" enough to get an errata.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #29 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:08:31 PM »

We should dedicate a set to making all erratas unnecessary. That would be the most worthwhile set ever in my opinion.

Master KChief · « **Reply #30 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:17:16 PM »

Quote from: Sean on May 13, 2010, 10:01:58 PM

Well, I don't think it needs errata anyway so w/e.

me neither. it has yet to be seen if its op or not. i have no idea why this was errata'd so soon.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #31 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:20:11 PM »

Why don't we just make triggered abilities activate before Choose the Blocker?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #32 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:21:18 PM »

Quote from: ChristianSoldier on May 13, 2010, 10:20:11 PM

Why don't we just make triggered abilities activate before Choose the Blocker?

I vastly prefer rule changes to erratas myself.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #33 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:27:09 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on May 13, 2010, 10:17:16 PM

Quote from: Sean on May 13, 2010, 10:01:58 PM
Well, I don't think it needs errata anyway so w/e.

me neither. it has yet to be seen if its op or not. i have no idea why this was errata'd so soon.

Thats the thing that bugs me. It shouldn't be. Not only is it stopable, its stopable by staple cards!

G cow, COM, WOP, etc.

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 13, 2010, 10:03:43 PM

Quote from: Sean on May 13, 2010, 10:01:58 PM
Well, I don't think it needs errata anyway so w/e.
Agreed. Should we be "Errata"ing cards anyways? I'm really failing to see how this is "Game breaking" enough to get an errata.

Errata the Errata? ETE. Does sound nice.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #34 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:30:09 PM »

If we have to erratta then i vote for seans idea:
SA: Set aside all of your human Heroes for one turn. Upon return, return an Evil Character in play to the bottom of its owner’s draw pile.

Of course i would rather not. leave it be, can't be no worse than Jacob+RtC or Jacob+OoN or TGT...

Master KChief · « **Reply #35 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:32:53 PM »

well, a dedicated pu deck would use all 3 ctb heroes, so ehud would render wop useless. the biggest threats would be gcow, com, unknown nation, gates, etc. and of course, this combo doesnt exactly work on decks that use stand-alones, so its pretty useless in type 1 as well. this combo should not have been errata'd yet before its proven itself in the big tournaments.

also, does it bother anyone else this combo has existed since priests, yet its taken this long to issue an errata? that should be proof enough this combo is pretty insignificant.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #36 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:38:44 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on May 13, 2010, 10:32:53 PM

well, a dedicated pu deck would use all 3 ctb heroes, so ehud would render wop useless. the biggest threats would be gcow, com, unknown nation, gates, etc. and of course, this combo doesnt exactly work on decks that use stand-alones, so its pretty useless in type 1 as well. this combo should not have been errata'd yet before its proven itself in the big tournaments.

also, does it bother anyone else this combo has existed since priests, yet its taken this long to issue an errata? that should be proof enough this combo is pretty insignificant.

Agreed. We've always had Ehud and its been recurable since FOOF.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #37 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:45:44 PM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on May 13, 2010, 10:38:44 PM

Agreed. We've always had Ehud and its been recurable since FOOF.

It has not been so easily recurable until now. Before, you would have to take a couple turns and make an attack with Joiada. Now you can use A Soldier's Prayer (on a character who can also use P&UB no less) without even going into battle. And in T2 you can do it 5 times.

Besides, we aren't debating whether there will be a change to the wording of this card. That has already been decided. If we want to be helpful we should be simply trying to suggest the easiest to understand wording for that change.

Master KChief · « **Reply #38 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:48:20 PM »

it was still easily recurrable (albeit one time) since priests. feast of booths.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #39 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:48:41 PM »

I'm trying to understand though, if I can understand WHY this errata is given (besides the combo is annoying) I can suggest the best wording I can.

Master KChief · « **Reply #40 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:50:35 PM »

i think underwood has had fits with it ever since the first time i unleashed it on him. pretty much destroys super-turtles.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #41 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:53:40 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on May 13, 2010, 10:50:35 PM

i think underwood has had fits with it ever since the first time i unleashed it on him. pretty much destroys super-turtles.

...Yet I am the one arguing its not necessary? :-p

Master KChief · « **Reply #42 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:54:40 PM »

thats called being impartial!

Sean · « **Reply #43 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:57:53 PM »

I think there is a lot of value in voicing the opinion that errata is unnecessary.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #44 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:58:11 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on May 13, 2010, 10:45:44 PM

Besides, we aren't debating whether there will be a change to the wording of this card. That has already been decided. If we want to be helpful we should be simply trying to suggest the easiest to understand wording for that change.

Anyone else find this sickening?

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #45 on:** May 13, 2010, 10:58:32 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on May 13, 2010, 10:50:35 PM

i think underwood has had fits with it ever since the first time i unleashed it on him. pretty much destroys super-turtles.

Nice try, but you can't pin this one on me. I've actually been using the combo ever since I first saw it. It fits perfectly in my all red offense. However, despite my getting good use out of it, I wanted to make sure that it was ok with the PTB. That's called impartiality.

The PTB decided to change the SA, not me. I'm not even on that board. So don't shoot the messenger

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #46 on:** May 13, 2010, 11:04:41 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on May 13, 2010, 10:58:11 PM

Quote from: Prof Underwood on May 13, 2010, 10:45:44 PM
Besides, we aren't debating whether there will be a change to the wording of this card. That has already been decided. If we want to be helpful we should be simply trying to suggest the easiest to understand wording for that change.
Anyone else find this sickening?

Sickening isn't a strong enough word. I've never seen a "Because I told you so" errata. We've always been able to SEE the issue. I know the playtesters are probably busy atm but whenever there has been objections they have been silenced by them making sense via the combo but the one. My issue is NOT with the errata itself but the timing. Big rule changes (erratas) have ALWAYS been saved till after nationals when its late in the season (states or later) which we are in. :/

We aren't shooting you but we have to use SOMEONE'S quotes.

Sean · « **Reply #47 on:** May 13, 2010, 11:29:18 PM »

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We aren't shooting you but we have to use SOMEONE'S quotes.

He thinks baseball is lame, I'll shoot him.

Joking aside, I don't like the idea of "just fall in line" in situations like this one.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #48 on:** May 13, 2010, 11:39:14 PM »

Quote from: Sean on May 13, 2010, 11:29:18 PM

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We aren't shooting you but we have to use SOMEONE'S quotes.
He thinks baseball is lame, I'll shoot him.

Joking aside, I don't like the idea of "just fall in line" in situations like this one.

If you don't argue and do what I say, you will be baked and then there will be cake.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #49 on:** May 14, 2010, 12:21:58 AM »

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Author Topic: Asahel/Jael & Passover and Unleavened Bread (Read 14705 times)