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It says nothing about "piles."

If Wrath of Satan doesn't discard face down ECs, then Split Altar does not shuffle face down artifacts.

Wrath of Satan doesn't discard face down EC's but not for the reason you're thinking.

Hey,

While I agree with this, I don't think it would be good for the game if Split Altar is played as-is.  It needs errata.  For crying out loud, Lying unto God is a better card.

While Split Altar may not be the best card, it is still a very good one as is. Especially in Type 2 where it is becoming more and more common to see people activating multiple artifacts, both to take advantage of Zerubable's Temple, High Priests Palace, etc and to get arround Captured Ark.  The ability to get rid of all active artifacts paired with the ability to get rid of all active fortresses (Romans Destroy Jerusalem) creates an A New Beginning type of "clear the board effect" while not disrupting what you're trying to build up to.  Oh, and it can't be negated.

So... ANB doesnt shuffle the arts because they are "out of play?"

Based on the "Only cards in Land of Redemption and discard piles remain." phrase on A New Beginning it will be easy to give it "play as" to include face down types of cards like inactive artifacts if necessary.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
www.freewebs.com/redemptionne

I'm very disappointed that Split Altar is not presently allowed to shuffle Artifact piles.  I'm in favor of issuing an errata so the card can be played as originally intended.

It's also how many players interpret it anyways. Aside from the people who have voiced their opinion on this thread, I know that Claude and Christian Fong both argued that it shuffled the pile as well.

I also assumed it shuffled the artifact pile because it says "shuffles ALL artifacts..." which i thought targeted ALL the oppenent had 

Yeah I'm disappointed... I thought it nuked U&T and now it wont...

When you use Desecrate the Temple or Abomination of Desolation to discard a face-down artifact, do you choose at random?

Not to mention we just got another useless silver enhancement.

Silver? Isn't Split Altar Green?

Hmm... Actually... I was thinking of Angelic Advice, but now that I read it....

Shuffle all Artifact piles in play back into each players' draw pile.  Active artifacts are shuffled but not negated.

This is how Split Altar SHOULD have been written.

Hey,

Ooh! I see an easy solution, just use Angelic Advice on Michael.  Then you have a cannot be negated get rid of their entire artifact pile...isn't that what all of you are wanting Split Altar to be.  To think, you didn't even have to wait for the new card to do this, you could have been doing it since Apostles.

My favorite way to shut down Urim and Thumim is to get rid of all of their high priests .  Of course, I usually just let them look, becasue I don't really care all that much if they know what's in my hand anyway.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly, WildCard Secretary of Defense
www.freewebs.com/redemptionne

So is this ever going to get a conclusive ruling/errata/whatever? Or at least a note to let us know the bigwigs are discussing it on their "secret" board?

Still waiting on at least a "Yes we're discussing this". This can't stay in limbo forever.

Quote from: Hedgehogman on August 22, 2008, 01:47:01 PM

Still waiting on at least a "Yes we're discussing this". This can't stay in limbo forever.

You'd be surprised how long limbo can take if you have a lot of people.

I'll admit it. I lol'd.

I support (an errata)