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Quote from: Praeceps on March 26, 2014, 09:13:15 PMQuote from: Red Dragon Thorn on March 17, 2014, 04:21:11 PMHard at work on the next set I can't speak to anything but the status quo on this one. The characters in question are not Musicians, and that is unlikely to change unless you can find more or new evidence supporting their cases.Just for clarification: does the REG definition of Musician count as new or more evidence? If not, does this mean that we can ignore REG definitions about what can be classified as what if we don't like what it has to say (that is the precedence that you are setting here...)?Likely not, it will probably linger as an inconsistency in the game because no one will be bothered to deal with it. I mean we have as much evidence for these guys to be musicians as practically any other musician in the game of Redemption, but they can't be musicians just because.
Quote from: Red Dragon Thorn on March 17, 2014, 04:21:11 PMHard at work on the next set I can't speak to anything but the status quo on this one. The characters in question are not Musicians, and that is unlikely to change unless you can find more or new evidence supporting their cases.Just for clarification: does the REG definition of Musician count as new or more evidence? If not, does this mean that we can ignore REG definitions about what can be classified as what if we don't like what it has to say (that is the precedence that you are setting here...)?
Hard at work on the next set I can't speak to anything but the status quo on this one. The characters in question are not Musicians, and that is unlikely to change unless you can find more or new evidence supporting their cases.
The REG says a character is a musician if they wrote a song. What does it mean to write a song? When the REG and the Elders use that phrase they mean that the individual created a song with intention for future use. Therefore spontaneous worship in the form of song does not constitute writing a song. Also speaking or writing words that are later turned into a song does not constitute writing a song. There is a legitimate definition of writing a song that would include those things, but that's not the definition that we're using. The people in this thread saying that the ruling on the characters in question "100% should be changed" are simply holding to a different definition than the Elders are. That's fine, as long as they can accept that we chose to use a different definition.
The REG says a character is a musician if they wrote a song.
When the REG and the Elders use that phrase they mean that the individual created a song with intention for future use. Therefore spontaneous worship in the form of song does not constitute writing a song. Also speaking or writing words that are later turned into a song does not constitute writing a song.
The Wikipedia link in the original post regarding the four servant songs says they were first identified in 1892!
In other words, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that suggests these characters were at least musical, but there is no hard evidence that proves any of them were musicians. So in Redemption, they're not.
Something that really surprises and bothers me though is the lack of respect for the Elders that is communicated in the way that they are spoken of and to.
Of course it's okay to disagree...but let's do so in the right spirit (humility and love) so we will please the Lord and witness well to all.
Quote from: jesse on March 28, 2014, 06:44:04 PMOf course it's okay to disagree...but let's do so in the right spirit (humility and love) so we will please the Lord and witness well to all. Just as an FYI, my "hung, drawn and quartered" post from earlier was my way of lightheartedly saying what you are saying.
Sort of agree with Jesse, tired of seeing the same dissenting opinions over and over despite multiple elder ruling. Sure it might not make sense, but whatever. Beating a dead horse at this point.
That's the point it doesn't make sense. If I'm buying the cards you can at least try to keep my business by being consistent with the REG. At this point I don't care if Simeon and everyone else become musicians. I just want them to change the REG to the definition the Elders use because currently they fit the definition,and that is just another inconsistentsy the game has because rules won't be changed to fit the REG just because.