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The Schaef

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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #150 on: February 25, 2009, 01:17:31 PM »
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There is only one card.  Because they resolve in a certain order does not mean the card has more than one activation.  One card activates one time.  I would also point out an order of resolution when presenting Heroes in battle, and an order of resolution for Battle Resolution, where no one argues that these are more than one event.
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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #151 on: February 25, 2009, 04:22:57 PM »
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Quote from: The Schaef on February 25, 2009, 01:17:31 PM
One card activates one time.

One card can have multiple special abilities that activate sequentially, with the later ones being effected by the first. For instance, Emperor Augustus:
"All N.T. humans in set aside areas must return to owner's territories. All opponents with a N.T. human in territory must discard a card from hand without using it."

Let's say the attacker has no NT humans in territory but had Paul set-aside. When Augustus enters battle, the first ability returns Paul to territory, and then the second ability causes him to discard because at the time of the activation of the second ability, he had a NT human in territory.

Do you disagree? I'm trying to find the point of contention.
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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #152 on: February 25, 2009, 05:23:33 PM »
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Hey,

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 25, 2009, 12:39:58 AM
Isn't arrogance an ongoing ability regardless?

No.  Arrogance is a "play an enhancement" ability.  All play an enhancement abilities are instantaneous abilities.

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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #153 on: February 25, 2009, 05:28:44 PM »
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Ah but the second clause is ongoing because it is trigger, is it not?
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The Schaef

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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #154 on: February 25, 2009, 06:49:37 PM »
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Quote from: TimMierz on February 25, 2009, 04:22:57 PM
Do you disagree? I'm trying to find the point of contention.

I don't disagree.  I'm only saying the logic being applied to these cards is all over the place.
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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #155 on: February 25, 2009, 06:54:56 PM »
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More importantly, it will not be the default logic of most players. Without a "Play As," I fear that this interpretation of Arrogance will be limited to the few players reading this thread or those who have "always played it that way."
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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #156 on: February 25, 2009, 09:32:46 PM »
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Quote from: YourMathTeacher on February 25, 2009, 06:54:56 PM
More importantly, it will not be the default logic of most players. Without a "Play As," I fear that this interpretation of Arrogance will be limited to the few players reading this thread or those who have "always played it that way."
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I believe YMT just summed up what's needed. Whether I like the ruling or not, if this is how Arrogance is played it needs a play as. The wording lends itself to say "you can keep playing cards forever" so if that is not the case, then it needs to be changed.
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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #157 on: February 26, 2009, 03:35:54 AM »
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Hey,

How about "Play X enhancements."  With the identifier "X is whatever number holder chooses."

Tschow,

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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #158 on: February 26, 2009, 08:33:42 AM »
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I find it ironic I'm dumbfound that we have an 11 page thread about a card that I've never played, nor seen played in what amounts to well over 1000 games of Redemption over a 3+ year time span.  :P
« Last Edit: February 26, 2009, 11:28:49 AM by BrianGabe »
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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #159 on: February 26, 2009, 11:21:52 AM »
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Welcome to my world  :)
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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #160 on: February 26, 2009, 01:18:53 PM »
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Quote from: BrianGabe on February 26, 2009, 08:33:42 AM
I find it ironic I'm dumbfound that we have an 11 page thread about a card that I've never played, nor seen played in what amounts to well over 1000 games of Redemption over a 3+ year time span.  :P

And I have no idea why, this card is immensely powerful.
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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #161 on: February 26, 2009, 02:00:16 PM »
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Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on February 26, 2009, 01:18:53 PM
Quote from: BrianGabe on February 26, 2009, 08:33:42 AM
I find it ironic I'm dumbfound that we have an 11 page thread about a card that I've never played, nor seen played in what amounts to well over 1000 games of Redemption over a 3+ year time span.  :P

And I have no idea why, this card is immensely powerful.

This card COULD be immensely powerful. However, most of the time people don't have enough enhancements to make it worthwhile.
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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #162 on: February 26, 2009, 02:22:17 PM »
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I find it ironic I'm dumbfound that we have an 11 page thread about a card that I've never played, nor seen played in what amounts to well over 1000 games of Redemption over a 3+ year time span.

You will, you will *evil laugh* You should come to southeast regionals.
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Re: Arrogance.
« Reply #163 on: February 26, 2009, 02:29:29 PM »
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Quote from: DaClock on February 26, 2009, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on February 26, 2009, 01:18:53 PM
Quote from: BrianGabe on February 26, 2009, 08:33:42 AM
I find it ironic I'm dumbfound that we have an 11 page thread about a card that I've never played, nor seen played in what amounts to well over 1000 games of Redemption over a 3+ year time span.  :P

And I have no idea why, this card is immensely powerful.

This card COULD be immensely powerful. However, most of the time people don't have enough enhancements to make it worthwhile.

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