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It was implied that a rule change would not allow the irritation of the T1-2P Nationals winning deck to be repeated. Did I miss something in the new REG or is this change still forthcoming?

John said in his writeup:

While I’m glad that this won Nationals, I’m also happy that we already have a rule change for ignore in the works, and we’re having discussions about the way Stoic Philosophers interacts with duration Enhancements. I feel that both of these are good things.

My interpretation of most of the other comments lines up with Gabe's - they were more implying the ignore change than anything else.  John's quote also implies that the ignore change had been discussed more - maybe a change to the Arrest combo is in the works for the (potential) December update?

At the risk of sending this thread way off topic, that's probably not the best ruling - Hormah underdecks itself, so such a rule would mean Philistine Outpost doesn't protect against it.  There's a similar issue between the Thorns LS and the Demon Discard LS.

Maybe that's the cost of killing Arrest/Stoic, but I'd think they'd look for other solutions first.

Whomever made the assertion is welcome to correct me, but I believe it was in reference to how the new ignore rule will impact Watchful Servant as a win condition. He's less reliable when a player can still block him from hand.

I'm thinking that this rule coupled with maxing out allotted time allowed for phases makes watchful servant a bit more risky
 I still might run laver with pigs just in case

As I stated in that other thread, I am not out to nerf RDT's combo, I am out to streamline the rules, which is what I thought our ultimate goal was. There will, of course, be other combos that are affected. I don't care about combos, I care about making the rules easier for new players to learn, and easier for judges to make correct rulings in the heat of the moment. Having a much simpler "Cards cannot be protected from themselves" rule is more comprehensive than having a more situational rule of "Characters cannot be protected from themselves." The latter just sets up a judge at a local tournament having to make a ruling on a card that is trying to be protected from itself, and the judge has to try to remember which cards are protected and which ones are not. The more we can remove the guessing game, the better, IMO.

This is not a "knee-jerk" reaction to a single combo, as much as it is a single combo that brought this ruling discrepancy to the forefront.

I would agree with you if it was a list of things, but IMO characters is as easy to remember as cards.

Except that so many of us seasoned judges couldn't remember whenever it was brought up... 

I get a lot of what you are saying, but not this.

I'll elaborate then. Past discussions like these have revealed that many experienced judges do not remember this rule because they think they already know what it says. We often do not look it up during the heat of a tournament, because we were fairly sure we knew. I know I certainly do not have time to look up every detail like this in the middle of a game, and frankly my young players wouldn't wait anyway. They usually are on to the next turn before I can even look up who was a Zerubbabel's Temple Priest. 

For the example of the OP, I will remind you of a thread from last year that illustrates my point:

Quote from: Prof Underwood on January 13, 2014, 05:19:50 PM

I thought that cards couldn't be protected from themselves.  In which case, isn't all this moot?

Quote from: browarod on January 13, 2014, 05:26:12 PM

Redoubter indicated that that's only true for characters, which is a distinction I didn't know existed, but I trust that some people have heard things I haven't.

Redoubter is correct, that guy seems to know the obscure rules for some reason, likely OCD or the need for more things to do around the house.

Quote from: REG 2.0

Default Conditions
 Protect abilities last until the end of the phase in which they are used.
 Protect abilities target cards in play.
 Characters cannot be protected from themselves.

After this conversation it's much less likely that you'll forget. 

You forget how old I am... 

It should also be remembered that YMT lives in Florida...some of us live in Minnesota so during the winter all we are able to do is sit in the house and study the REG all day...

Winter? I think I've heard that word used before, but I forget what it means... 

It should also be remembered that YMT lives in Florida...some of us live in Minnesota so during the winter all we are able to do is sit in the house and study the REG all day...

In Minnesota, it generally means the period of time between the end of September and the beginning of June, during which time temperatures can vary between "meh, it's still above zero, a light jacket will do" and "I wonder if this is what it feels like to live on Pluto?".

The fact that I'm Canadian (and more specifically Manitoban) compels me to respond to these. While in reality our climate isn't that different than Minnesota, we probably have slightly average winter temperatures than Minnesota, being slightly further north.

Winter is a terrible time when the ground is white from snow as far as the eye can see, the only way to travel is by dogsled and you can be frozen solid just by walking to the store.

Note: My statement may not be entirely accurate.

Canada ey? Oooh sure, sorry!

I'll have y'all note that the time period that you refer to as "Winter" is not much different than "Spring" (aka Love Bug Season) here in Florida. There are a few days when the temperature drops below 60 and everyone has to hurry to cover their sensitive plants and palm trees with blankets so they don't become brittle. But most of the time we just go to the water parks since they are less crowded than in the "Summer" (aka Hurricane Season).

so does stoic protect arrest from all discard abilities and discard at all even after being negated after 3 turns? ie. daniel enters battle then attempts to discard arrest with live coal? does this work? assuming he can enter battle haha

i guess my initial assumption regarding arrest being protected and lasting in play longer than 3 turns was that it would be immediately discarded if stoic was discarded(or left play, or was negated) due to it losing it's protection from discard and being past 3 turns where it would then be discarded otherwise still curious as to why this was not the way it was ruled

Yes, Stoic would still protect it from other discards. However, your scenario would work to get rid of it because Daniel negates evil characters. If you attack with Joseph and play Live Coal it would still be protected.