Author Topic: Argument for Gideon as a Prophet (Read 1964 times)

Chris · « **on:** November 24, 2012, 05:35:19 PM »

Quote from: Judges 7

15 When Gideon heard the dream and its interpretation, he bowed down and worshiped. He returned to the camp of Israel and called out, “Get up! The Lord has given the Midianite camp into your hands.”

Aside from this admittedly weak example, the story of the Lord having Gideon thin out the Israelite army to 300 is full of instances where Gideon asks the army to do something seemingly inane, and he's obeyed. I may also be missing something, but there's no clear point where they accept Gideon as their commander. What I'm getting is that, more than likely, Gideon told them that the Lord was going to deliver them victory. Why else would they follow him?

cookie monster · « **Reply #1 on:** November 26, 2012, 05:43:51 PM »

From what you said I would say Gideon is a prophet. And if he isn't, he should be.

Redoubter · « **Reply #2 on:** November 26, 2012, 09:51:57 PM »

I came here to argue that this didn't make him a prophet. But per the definition of Prophet:

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A Prophet is any Hero or Evil Character that the Bible refers to as a prophet or who foretold the future by supernatural revelation.

He did foretell the future through supernatural revelation, by relating what the angel told him about the future. Acting on it was a bonus.

So...I agree as well.

Gabe · « **Reply #3 on:** November 26, 2012, 10:13:50 PM »

I find this to be a rather weak argument for listing Gideon as a prophet, but if the other elders feel he should be added I won't lose any sleep over it.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #4 on:** November 26, 2012, 10:25:31 PM »

By this standard, Jonathan would also be a prophet. I think we have stretched this definition too far already. We should tweak the definition for accuracy, rather than find ways to squeeze more heroes under the current definition.

Chris · « **Reply #5 on:** November 26, 2012, 10:51:38 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on November 26, 2012, 10:25:31 PM

By this standard, Jonathan would also be a prophet. I think we have stretched this definition too far already. We should tweak the definition for accuracy, rather than find ways to squeeze more heroes under the current definition.

The actual definition for "prophet" is someone who was given information supernaturally and who then relayed it to the people. Gideon did that, and I don't think that it's "stretching the definition" to include him. If we want a narrower definition (which I'm not opposed to), we can develop that, but we also ought to be consistent.

Redoubter · « **Reply #6 on:** November 27, 2012, 12:29:21 AM »

Quote from: Chris on November 26, 2012, 10:51:38 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on November 26, 2012, 10:25:31 PM
By this standard, Jonathan would also be a prophet. I think we have stretched this definition too far already. We should tweak the definition for accuracy, rather than find ways to squeeze more heroes under the current definition.

The actual definition for "prophet" is someone who was given information supernaturally and who then relayed it to the people. Gideon did that, and I don't think that it's "stretching the definition" to include him. If we want a narrower definition (which I'm not opposed to), we can develop that, but we also ought to be consistent.

I agree completely. Like I said, I came here wanting to dispute Gideon being a prophet, but the definition given for one fits him perfectly, and consistency in identifiers is very important. Personally, I'm having trouble coming up with a better definition, but I'm sure that could be done.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #7 on:** November 28, 2012, 05:00:12 PM »

A long time ago there was an argument that Prophet shouldn't just be any person who happened to prophesy once or twice, but someone whose major occupation/description in the Bible was as a Prophet. However, we now have identifiers on several characters that say prophet, and narrowing the definition now would cause those identifiers (for example on King Saul, Aaron, Miriam, and probably even Joseph) to be inaccurate.

I think that there is probably a good enough argument for him to be a prophet based on precedent. However, I also think that people who are considered prophets only because of one prophecy shouldn't necessarily get Green/half-Green reprints either; we certainly don't ever need a Gold/Green Bulletproof Gideon that can use HT...

Red · « **Reply #8 on:** November 28, 2012, 05:24:33 PM »

Quote from: Gabe on November 26, 2012, 10:13:50 PM

I find this to be a rather weak argument for listing Gideon as a prophet, but if the other elders feel he should be added I won't lose any sleep over it.

Not an Elder but this argument is extremely weak.

CJSports · « **Reply #9 on:** November 28, 2012, 05:51:56 PM »

Quote from: Red on November 28, 2012, 05:24:33 PM

Quote from: Gabe on November 26, 2012, 10:13:50 PM
I find this to be a rather weak argument for listing Gideon as a prophet, but if the other elders feel he should be added I won't lose any sleep over it.
Not an Elder but this argument is extremely weak.

He's posting an opinion, not an argument. All he said was that he thought the argument was weak.

If you are agreeing with Gabe then my bad, however the way I interpreted it is now obvious.

Red · « **Reply #10 on:** November 28, 2012, 06:00:38 PM »

I agreed with Gabe. That should be obvious?

Chris · « **Reply #11 on:** November 28, 2012, 06:05:52 PM »

Quite honestly, I would probably prefer a system where we have different level of prophets, with characters who were prophets full-time (e.g. Isaiah) or characters who are well-known as prophets (e.g. Joseph) being the standard green brigade (among others, if necessary), while other characters who prophesied without it being a major part of the story (e.g. Gideon) maintaining the prophet identifier, but not necessarily anything else.

As it stands, I believe Gideon falls firmly into the current definition of prophet.

megamanlan · « **Reply #12 on:** December 03, 2012, 04:37:33 AM »

I do agree that there should be some prophets that don't get a Green or part-green reprint. Like Gideon or Peter, because its not what they're most known for (Gideon for being a Judge and saving Isreal, Peter for being the 'lead' disciple of sorts as well as leading the Church)

I don't mind Gideon being a Prophet, since I don't see how it would really change anything at the moment.

cookie monster · « **Reply #13 on:** December 03, 2012, 12:21:52 PM »

I like this big prophet little prophet system you guys are suggesting.

STAMP · « **Reply #14 on:** December 03, 2012, 12:28:59 PM »

cookie monster · « **Reply #15 on:** December 03, 2012, 12:33:11 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on December 03, 2012, 12:28:59 PM

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megamanlan · « **Reply #16 on:** December 03, 2012, 12:46:23 PM »

I think it could be interesting, and then see some Rainbow cards that are specifically for Prophets (like the small Prophets) then Green would be for the main Prophets.

That would be really cool to that come out for them and it could be interesting for card themes that are broad like this to go that way; have a main brigade for the main cards, then other cards that would have the identifier, but fit better elsewhere would be able to use some Rainbow cards that are made for the theme (and are more for the characters that hold the identifier [like a Prophet] but don't fit into the theme that well.)

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