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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: Chris on November 24, 2012, 05:35:19 PM
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15 When Gideon heard the dream and its interpretation, he bowed down and worshiped. He returned to the camp of Israel and called out, “Get up! The Lord has given the Midianite camp into your hands.”
Aside from this admittedly weak example, the story of the Lord having Gideon thin out the Israelite army to 300 is full of instances where Gideon asks the army to do something seemingly inane, and he's obeyed. I may also be missing something, but there's no clear point where they accept Gideon as their commander. What I'm getting is that, more than likely, Gideon told them that the Lord was going to deliver them victory. Why else would they follow him?
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From what you said I would say Gideon is a prophet. And if he isn't, he should be.
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I came here to argue that this didn't make him a prophet. But per the definition of Prophet:
A Prophet is any Hero or Evil Character that the Bible refers to as a prophet or who foretold the future by supernatural revelation.
He did foretell the future through supernatural revelation, by relating what the angel told him about the future. Acting on it was a bonus.
So...I agree as well.
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I find this to be a rather weak argument for listing Gideon as a prophet, but if the other elders feel he should be added I won't lose any sleep over it.
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By this standard, Jonathan would also be a prophet. I think we have stretched this definition too far already. We should tweak the definition for accuracy, rather than find ways to squeeze more heroes under the current definition.
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By this standard, Jonathan would also be a prophet. I think we have stretched this definition too far already. We should tweak the definition for accuracy, rather than find ways to squeeze more heroes under the current definition.
The actual definition for "prophet" is someone who was given information supernaturally and who then relayed it to the people. Gideon did that, and I don't think that it's "stretching the definition" to include him. If we want a narrower definition (which I'm not opposed to), we can develop that, but we also ought to be consistent.
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By this standard, Jonathan would also be a prophet. I think we have stretched this definition too far already. We should tweak the definition for accuracy, rather than find ways to squeeze more heroes under the current definition.
The actual definition for "prophet" is someone who was given information supernaturally and who then relayed it to the people. Gideon did that, and I don't think that it's "stretching the definition" to include him. If we want a narrower definition (which I'm not opposed to), we can develop that, but we also ought to be consistent.
I agree completely. Like I said, I came here wanting to dispute Gideon being a prophet, but the definition given for one fits him perfectly, and consistency in identifiers is very important. Personally, I'm having trouble coming up with a better definition, but I'm sure that could be done.
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A long time ago there was an argument that Prophet shouldn't just be any person who happened to prophesy once or twice, but someone whose major occupation/description in the Bible was as a Prophet. However, we now have identifiers on several characters that say prophet, and narrowing the definition now would cause those identifiers (for example on King Saul, Aaron, Miriam, and probably even Joseph) to be inaccurate.
I think that there is probably a good enough argument for him to be a prophet based on precedent. However, I also think that people who are considered prophets only because of one prophecy shouldn't necessarily get Green/half-Green reprints either; we certainly don't ever need a Gold/Green Bulletproof Gideon that can use HT...
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I find this to be a rather weak argument for listing Gideon as a prophet, but if the other elders feel he should be added I won't lose any sleep over it.
Not an Elder but this argument is extremely weak.
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I find this to be a rather weak argument for listing Gideon as a prophet, but if the other elders feel he should be added I won't lose any sleep over it.
Not an Elder but this argument is extremely weak.
He's posting an opinion, not an argument. All he said was that he thought the argument was weak.
If you are agreeing with Gabe then my bad, however the way I interpreted it is now obvious.
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I agreed with Gabe. That should be obvious?
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Quite honestly, I would probably prefer a system where we have different level of prophets, with characters who were prophets full-time (e.g. Isaiah) or characters who are well-known as prophets (e.g. Joseph) being the standard green brigade (among others, if necessary), while other characters who prophesied without it being a major part of the story (e.g. Gideon) maintaining the prophet identifier, but not necessarily anything else.
As it stands, I believe Gideon falls firmly into the current definition of prophet.
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I do agree that there should be some prophets that don't get a Green or part-green reprint. Like Gideon or Peter, because its not what they're most known for (Gideon for being a Judge and saving Isreal, Peter for being the 'lead' disciple of sorts as well as leading the Church)
I don't mind Gideon being a Prophet, since I don't see how it would really change anything at the moment.
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I like this big prophet little prophet system you guys are suggesting. :D
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I loved that movie!!! ;D
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I think it could be interesting, and then see some Rainbow cards that are specifically for Prophets (like the small Prophets) then Green would be for the main Prophets.
That would be really cool to that come out for them and it could be interesting for card themes that are broad like this to go that way; have a main brigade for the main cards, then other cards that would have the identifier, but fit better elsewhere would be able to use some Rainbow cards that are made for the theme (and are more for the characters that hold the identifier [like a Prophet] but don't fit into the theme that well.)