Author Topic: Are Wise Men Magicians? (Read 2913 times)

TheJaylor · « **on:** June 26, 2010, 09:13:54 AM »

hey are Egyptian Wise Men magicians?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #1 on:** June 26, 2010, 10:12:56 AM »

It would be awesome if they were, but I think the answer is no, for the same reason that Philistine Priests are not magicians. The verse differentiates in a way between magicians and wisemen(/priests): "the Magicians of Egypt, and all the wise men thereof," which is taken to mean (at least by Redemption players) that the magicians and the wisemen are different people.

The end.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #2 on:** June 26, 2010, 12:30:49 PM »

The answer is no, because they're Heroes. Although I don't think we ever got a definitive answer on whether they become Magicians if Converted.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #3 on:** June 26, 2010, 12:41:54 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on June 26, 2010, 12:30:49 PM

The answer is no, because they're Heroes. Although I don't think we ever got a definitive answer on whether they become Magicians if Converted.

He said Egyptian Wise Men, which are evil.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #4 on:** June 26, 2010, 12:42:51 PM »

That's racist.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #5 on:** June 26, 2010, 12:50:03 PM »

I'm a troll, so that's okay.

Isildur · « **Reply #6 on:** June 26, 2010, 01:45:58 PM »

I always thought Egyptian wise men were magicians... This is the 1/3 EC right?

The Warrior · « **Reply #7 on:** June 26, 2010, 01:47:18 PM »

Quote from: Isildur on June 26, 2010, 01:45:58 PM

I always thought Egyptian wise men were magicians... This is the 1/3 EC right?

correct he also bands to any Egyptian

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #8 on:** June 26, 2010, 02:02:25 PM »

Wait a minute....

The Magi are listed in the REG Glossary as Magicians (which I did not know). I find this peculiar if The Magi were added to the list, but Egyptian Wise Men were not, since The Magi's identifier says, "Eastern Wise Men."

TheJaylor · « **Reply #9 on:** June 26, 2010, 02:39:28 PM »

Eastern not Egyptian
ha!

The Warrior · « **Reply #10 on:** June 26, 2010, 02:56:43 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on June 26, 2010, 02:02:25 PM

Wait a minute....

The Magi are listed in the REG Glossary as Magicians (which I did not know). I find this peculiar if The Magi were added to the list, but Egyptian Wise Men were not, since The Magi's identifier says, "Eastern Wise Men."

a "Wise Man" could just be a old dude with lots of wisdom or knowledge or whatever. these "wisemen" just happen to magicians(or these magicians happen to be Wisemen) as well as wise men. doesnt mean all wisemen are magicians or Vice Versa

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #11 on:** June 26, 2010, 03:03:46 PM »

I'm not talking about theoretical definitions, I am talking about Redemption official definitions. If "Wise Men" are treated as Magicians for one card, then the same must be true for all Wise Men. Otherwise we will have inconsistencies that lead to poor rulings.

Gabe · « **Reply #12 on:** June 26, 2010, 03:12:42 PM »

Egyptian Wise Men were a distinctly different group from Egyptian Magicians, therefore they are not considered magicians.

Also, to clear up the identifier on The Magi, they were created before Redemption had a need to define what we consider a magician. After TeP was released it was decided that only an Evil Character can be defined as a magician, therefore The Magi are not actually magicians, even though the identifier says they are.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #13 on:** June 26, 2010, 03:16:54 PM »

Well that would explain why I did not know The Magi were magicians.

Since the card's actual identifier does not say magician, is this just going to be removed from the REG? That is the only place the discrepancy exists.

TheHobbit13 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 26, 2010, 03:31:49 PM »

Quote from: KoalaKingofFortressAlstad on June 26, 2010, 09:13:54 AM

hey are Egyptian Wise Men magicians?

Wise men practice magic. I think it is a proverb or something...

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2010, 09:27:31 AM »

Quote from: BrianGabe on June 26, 2010, 03:12:42 PM

Egyptian Wise Men were a distinctly different group from Egyptian Magicians, therefore they are not considered magicians.

Also, to clear up the identifier on The Magi, they were created before Redemption had a need to define what we consider a magician. After TeP was released it was decided that only an Evil Character can be defined as a magician, therefore The Magi are not actually magicians, even though the identifier says they are.

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on June 26, 2010, 03:16:54 PM

is this just going to be removed from the REG?

I would assume that the new REG will clear up any discrepancies in this area

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2010, 07:53:07 PM »

Quote from: Prof Underwood on June 30, 2010, 09:27:31 AM

I would assume that the new REG will clear up any discrepancies in this area

There's a new REG?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2010, 09:42:24 PM »

Cue Dukem Nukem Forever joke....

....Now.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2010, 10:04:45 PM »

"DNF (AKA New REG)" and "now" should never be in the same post.

Master KChief · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2010, 10:15:56 PM »

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #20 on:** June 30, 2010, 10:30:28 PM »

He's a very, very patient man.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #21 on:** June 30, 2010, 10:50:33 PM »

That is a quality graphic there MKC.

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