Author Topic: Are Multiple Simultaneous Set Asides Allowed? (Read 8834 times)

EmJayBee83 · « **on:** September 03, 2007, 02:09:46 AM »

Currently, according to the REG, "Moreover, you may use multiple set-aside cards on a character simultaneously."

In this post from ~~July~~ June, Rob wrote, "If I limit set-asides to one at a time, it will not take effect until after the National tournament in August. Too many players are used to being able to stack set-asides on a character when they set the character aside. I don't want to change it in the middle of state and regional tournaments. Even so, be forwarned that the change is probably coming."

Quick (or possibly not) question--was this officially changed after Nationals?

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #1 on:** September 03, 2007, 04:14:07 PM »

great question! I was wondering this too

dunno the answer though

DaClock · « **Reply #2 on:** September 03, 2007, 05:22:58 PM »

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on September 03, 2007, 02:09:46 AM

Currently, according to the REG, "Moreover, you may use multiple set-aside cards on a character simultaneously."

In this post from ~~July~~ June, Rob wrote, "If I limit set-asides to one at a time, it will not take effect until after the National tournament in August. Too many players are used to being able to stack set-asides on a character when they set the character aside. I don't want to change it in the middle of state and regional tournaments. Even so, be forwarned that the change is probably coming."

Quick (or possibly not) question--was this officially changed after Nationals?

I know that at nationals everybody was saying it would be changed afterwards. However, that was what I heard from people that weren't Rob Anderson, so I'm not sure.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #3 on:** September 04, 2007, 10:17:53 AM »

does anyone know for sure?

frisian9 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2007, 12:21:18 AM »

It is still under review. It will be posted here soon. A rationale will be included with it.

Mike

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #5 on:** September 09, 2007, 09:57:57 PM »

Quote from: frisian9 on September 08, 2007, 12:21:18 AM

It is still under review. It will be posted here soon. A rationale will be included with it.

Mike

cool thx

frisian9 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 10, 2007, 11:31:04 AM »

The game rules currently limit any player to play one card at a time. Another card cannot be played until the first has completed its full effect. This means you cannot play cards simultaneously, unless they state otherwise (e.g., New Jerusalem). Hence, you cannot play multiple set-aside cards at the same time.

There will have to be some changes to the REG, since some previous rulings now conflict with this. Thanks for pointing it out. The suggested changes will be posted soon.

Mike

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #7 on:** September 10, 2007, 11:51:28 AM »

Quote from: frisian9 on September 10, 2007, 11:31:04 AM

The game rules currently limit any player to play one card at a time. Another card cannot be played until the first has completed its full effect. This means you cannot play cards simultaneously, unless they state otherwise (e.g., New Jerusalem). Hence, you cannot play multiple set-aside cards at the same time.

There will have to be some changes to the REG, since some previous rulings now conflict with this. Thanks for pointing it out. The suggested changes will be posted soon.

Mike

thx a lot

egilkinc · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2007, 12:33:35 PM »

hey,

Current game rules allow set-asides to be played outside of the field of battle. As this is an exception to the normal play of enhancements, could we simply add an additional exception to allow set-aside cards to be played simultaneously with other set-aside cards?

L8er,
Gil

DaClock · « **Reply #9 on:** September 10, 2007, 12:37:52 PM »

How does Kerith Ravine work then? Can I set somebody aside w/ Kerith Ravine then dump 3 set asides on him?

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 10, 2007, 01:00:38 PM »

Does Water to Wine's SA allow you to place multiple simultaneous set asides on a single character?

Water to Wine: Holder may search draw pile for all blue brigade set-aside cards and put them in play.

FWIW, while I understand the rationale, I'm really not crazy about this ruling. I would prefer something akin to Gil's suggestion.

DaClock · « **Reply #11 on:** September 10, 2007, 01:04:47 PM »

Yeah, how am I supposed to draw 11 extra cards before battle phase if I can't set my teal guy aside with Feast of Trumpets, First Fruits, and Pentecost all at the same time?

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #12 on:** September 10, 2007, 01:25:44 PM »

Quote from: DaClock on September 10, 2007, 01:04:47 PM

Yeah, how am I supposed to draw 11 extra cards before battle phase if I can't set my teal guy aside with Feast of Trumpets, First Fruits, and Pentecost all at the same time?

Good point Ben. I really didn't feel strongly about this rule until you pointed out that it hurts Speed Decks. Therefore I am now in favor of it

One set aside at a time.

MASK unite.

MichaelHue · « **Reply #13 on:** September 10, 2007, 03:46:55 PM »

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Good point Ben. I really didn't feel strongly about this rule until you pointed out that it hurts Speed Decks. Therefore I am now in favor of it

One set aside at a time.

MASK unite.

Many speed decks don't use multiple set-asides FYI, so it doesn't really hurt them, but it might change a few of them a little.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #14 on:** September 10, 2007, 05:05:18 PM »

Kerith Ravine FTW

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #15 on:** September 10, 2007, 06:20:21 PM »

I think you should only have one at a time, but Water to Wine is now weird

The Roc_1217 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 10, 2007, 06:53:06 PM »

I agree, in that Kerith Ravine and Water to Wine should be considered exceptions to this.

frisian9 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 10, 2007, 08:35:44 PM »

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Does Water to Wine's SA allow you to place multiple simultaneous set asides on a single character?

Only cards that say "play simultaneous" can play simultaneous. Water to Wine lets you search, find, and play multiple set aside cards, but you choose the order they activate sequentially. You may activate them all on one character, but you must target a different character with each set aside card. Water to Wine also allows you to hold them in your hand and play them later because it includes the word "may".

Mike

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #18 on:** September 10, 2007, 08:38:43 PM »

Quote from: frisian9 on September 10, 2007, 08:35:44 PM

Water to Wine also allows you to hold them in your hand and play them later because it includes the word "may".

So you can search for but not play one of the set-asides?

The Schaef · « **Reply #19 on:** September 10, 2007, 08:45:58 PM »

"May" allows you to do any of the abilities that fall under the "may" qualifier, including all, or none.

So if you don't have enough Heroes to use all the set-asides you pulled, just keep 'em and play the ones you want during your discard phase.

TimMierz · « **Reply #20 on:** September 10, 2007, 08:49:12 PM »

But deciding to play the set-asides, you'd have to either play all of them or none of them, correct?

If you don't have enough Heroes for all of them, are the extra ones activated and then, with no one to latch onto, discarded?

Water to Wine: Holder may search draw pile for all blue brigade set-aside cards and put them in play.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #21 on:** September 10, 2007, 08:58:28 PM »

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But deciding to play the set-asides, you'd have to either play all of them or none of them, correct?

I think it's currently ruled that can play as many as you want, but you don't have to play all of them.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #22 on:** September 10, 2007, 09:41:55 PM »

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I agree, in that Kerith Ravine

All Kerith Ravine says is...

"...Set-aside enhancements work in this Fortress."

It NEVER specifies how many. It doesnt say "Set-aside enhancement" only because that doesnt make sense gramatically. I dont know why you think this should be the exception... it never gives any hint to multiple set-asides... just my $0.02

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #23 on:** September 10, 2007, 09:52:05 PM »

Quote from: TimMierz on September 10, 2007, 08:49:12 PM

But deciding to play the set-asides, you'd have to either play all of them or none of them, correct?

If you don't have enough Heroes for all of them, are the extra ones activated and then, with no one to latch onto, discarded?

Water to Wine: Holder may search draw pile for all blue brigade set-aside cards and put them in play.

it seams to me it is saying YOU MAY SEARCH not YOU MAY PLAY

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 10, 2007, 10:03:05 PM »

Quote from: frisian9 on September 10, 2007, 08:35:44 PM

Water to Wine lets you search, find, and play multiple set aside cards, but you choose the order they activate sequentially.

Oh well, what one more (mostly) useless State Promo?

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Author Topic: Are Multiple Simultaneous Set Asides Allowed? (Read 8834 times)

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