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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: EmJayBee83 on September 03, 2007, 02:09:46 AM
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Currently, according to the REG, "Moreover, you may use multiple set-aside cards on a character simultaneously."
In this post from July June (http://cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=5029.msg78510#msg78510), Rob wrote, "If I limit set-asides to one at a time, it will not take effect until after the National tournament in August. Too many players are used to being able to stack set-asides on a character when they set the character aside. I don't want to change it in the middle of state and regional tournaments. Even so, be forwarned that the change is probably coming."
Quick (or possibly not) question--was this officially changed after Nationals?
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great question! I was wondering this too
dunno the answer though
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Currently, according to the REG, "Moreover, you may use multiple set-aside cards on a character simultaneously."
In this post from July June (http://cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=5029.msg78510#msg78510), Rob wrote, "If I limit set-asides to one at a time, it will not take effect until after the National tournament in August. Too many players are used to being able to stack set-asides on a character when they set the character aside. I don't want to change it in the middle of state and regional tournaments. Even so, be forwarned that the change is probably coming."
Quick (or possibly not) question--was this officially changed after Nationals?
I know that at nationals everybody was saying it would be changed afterwards. However, that was what I heard from people that weren't Rob Anderson, so I'm not sure.
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does anyone know for sure?
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It is still under review. It will be posted here soon. A rationale will be included with it.
Mike
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It is still under review. It will be posted here soon. A rationale will be included with it.
Mike
cool thx
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The game rules currently limit any player to play one card at a time. Another card cannot be played until the first has completed its full effect. This means you cannot play cards simultaneously, unless they state otherwise (e.g., New Jerusalem). Hence, you cannot play multiple set-aside cards at the same time.
There will have to be some changes to the REG, since some previous rulings now conflict with this. Thanks for pointing it out. The suggested changes will be posted soon.
Mike
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The game rules currently limit any player to play one card at a time. Another card cannot be played until the first has completed its full effect. This means you cannot play cards simultaneously, unless they state otherwise (e.g., New Jerusalem). Hence, you cannot play multiple set-aside cards at the same time.
There will have to be some changes to the REG, since some previous rulings now conflict with this. Thanks for pointing it out. The suggested changes will be posted soon.
Mike
thx a lot
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hey,
Current game rules allow set-asides to be played outside of the field of battle. As this is an exception to the normal play of enhancements, could we simply add an additional exception to allow set-aside cards to be played simultaneously with other set-aside cards?
L8er,
Gil
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How does Kerith Ravine work then? Can I set somebody aside w/ Kerith Ravine then dump 3 set asides on him?
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Does Water to Wine's SA allow you to place multiple simultaneous set asides on a single character?
Water to Wine: Holder may search draw pile for all blue brigade set-aside cards and put them in play.
FWIW, while I understand the rationale, I'm really not crazy about this ruling. I would prefer something akin to Gil's suggestion.
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Yeah, how am I supposed to draw 11 extra cards before battle phase if I can't set my teal guy aside with Feast of Trumpets, First Fruits, and Pentecost all at the same time?
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Yeah, how am I supposed to draw 11 extra cards before battle phase if I can't set my teal guy aside with Feast of Trumpets, First Fruits, and Pentecost all at the same time?
Good point Ben. I really didn't feel strongly about this rule until you pointed out that it hurts Speed Decks. Therefore I am now in favor of it :)
One set aside at a time.
MASK unite.
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Good point Ben. I really didn't feel strongly about this rule until you pointed out that it hurts Speed Decks. Therefore I am now in favor of it
One set aside at a time.
MASK unite.
Many speed decks don't use multiple set-asides FYI, so it doesn't really hurt them, but it might change a few of them a little.
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Kerith Ravine FTW
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I think you should only have one at a time, but Water to Wine is now weird
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I agree, in that Kerith Ravine and Water to Wine should be considered exceptions to this.
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Does Water to Wine's SA allow you to place multiple simultaneous set asides on a single character?
Only cards that say "play simultaneous" can play simultaneous. Water to Wine lets you search, find, and play multiple set aside cards, but you choose the order they activate sequentially. You may activate them all on one character, but you must target a different character with each set aside card. Water to Wine also allows you to hold them in your hand and play them later because it includes the word "may".
Mike
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Water to Wine also allows you to hold them in your hand and play them later because it includes the word "may".
So you can search for but not play one of the set-asides?
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"May" allows you to do any of the abilities that fall under the "may" qualifier, including all, or none.
So if you don't have enough Heroes to use all the set-asides you pulled, just keep 'em and play the ones you want during your discard phase. :)
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But deciding to play the set-asides, you'd have to either play all of them or none of them, correct?
If you don't have enough Heroes for all of them, are the extra ones activated and then, with no one to latch onto, discarded?
Water to Wine: Holder may search draw pile for all blue brigade set-aside cards and put them in play.
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But deciding to play the set-asides, you'd have to either play all of them or none of them, correct?
I think it's currently ruled that can play as many as you want, but you don't have to play all of them.
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I agree, in that Kerith Ravine
All Kerith Ravine says is...
"...Set-aside enhancements work in this Fortress."
It NEVER specifies how many. It doesnt say "Set-aside enhancement" only because that doesnt make sense gramatically. I dont know why you think this should be the exception... it never gives any hint to multiple set-asides... just my $0.02
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But deciding to play the set-asides, you'd have to either play all of them or none of them, correct?
If you don't have enough Heroes for all of them, are the extra ones activated and then, with no one to latch onto, discarded?
Water to Wine: Holder may search draw pile for all blue brigade set-aside cards and put them in play.
it seams to me it is saying YOU MAY SEARCH not YOU MAY PLAY
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Water to Wine lets you search, find, and play multiple set aside cards, but you choose the order they activate sequentially.
Oh well, what one more (mostly) useless State Promo? :(
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it seams to me it is saying YOU MAY SEARCH not YOU MAY PLAY
It is saying both.
You may interrupt, draw and play means:
you may interrupt
you may draw
you may play
same with you may search + play
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it seams to me it is saying YOU MAY SEARCH not YOU MAY PLAY
It is saying both.
You may interrupt, draw and play means:
you may interrupt
you may draw
you may play
same with you may search + play
ok. like on 3k horses, could you interrupt, not draw, then play?
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yup
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yup
ok thx
so when it says may at all, you may or may not do any part of the ability. cool!
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Bumping this to ask a question about how this ruling is treated now. I looked at the online REG and found this:
Set-aside enhancements
A set-aside enhancement has the phrase “set a (type of character) aside” in its special ability. A set-aside enhancement can be played on a character of matching brigade in your territory during your Preparation Phase or Discard Phase. Its special ability activates even though it is played outside of battle. You may also play them in battle according to the rules of initiative. You can direct the effect of the set-aside card to any character you own and currently control. You may set aside a character with multiple set-aside cards if they are played at the same time.
Is this an error, or are we currently allowed to play multiple set-asides at the same time and target the same character with them?
Also, if I put a Hero in Kerith Ravine, can I play as many set asides as I want on him during the same turn?
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That quote is an error. Only one enh on your hero in Kerith Ravine at a time.
Kirk
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Is this an error, or are we currently allowed to play multiple set-asides at the same time and target the same character with them?
I don't think it is an error so much as it has not been changed since this thread became the official ruling. And I agree that Kerith Ravine is not an exception to the rule.