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Type: Site • Brigade: Green • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: This Site may hold one Lost Soul for each Babylonian Site in play. • Identifiers: Babylonia • Verse: Daniel 5:3 • Availability: Faith of Fathers (Set 5)

I have Babylon and Babylonian Banquet Hall in my territory, can I place one or two LS in BBH? It doesn't say additional, so I wanted to make sure. Also, Babylon isn't listed in the REG. It's mentioned, but not actually present.

Ah, alright, thanks.

I have a question regarding Babylonian Banquet Hall(BBH) sorta pertaining to this.
 I know if I have BBH and two babylon's in my territory then BBH can hold 3 lost souls. so lets say I put 3 lost souls in there and make a rescue attempt. If my opponent is able to discard one of my babylon sites I would then only have two babylon sites in play. what whould happen to the 2 lost souls in BBH?
Would I have to remove one lost soul immediately or could all 3 stay in there until two of them are rescued then I could only add 1 additionally lost soul?

I think the LS stays in BBH. The SA only regulates when a LS can be put into BBH. There is no "check" during each new turn for whether they can stay.

I'm going to disagree with YMT and Bryon, which means I'm probably wrong.

BBH says "This Site may hold one Lost Soul for each Babylonian Site in play."

If it said "You may place a Lost Soul in this site for each Babylonian Site in play" then I'd agree.  But the ability specifies what BBH can hold, not what can be placed there.  It seems like the ability to "hold" is dynamic and ongoing (as long as the site is occupied).

I did find the following quote that seems related to YMT and Bryon's response.

Once a site is occupied, neither the Lost Soul nor the site can be moved until the Lost Soul is rescued or discarded.

We know that this quote is only true of game rules.  It's trumped when a special abiilty can remove a Lost Soul from a site, like Panic Demon (brown) or Lost Soul (site remove - Matthew 8:34). 

I don't understand why BBH's ability would allow additional LSs to be added (when another Babyonian Site is put in play) but not force a LS to be removed (if a Babyonlian Site is removed from play).

I was initially going to disagree with YMT, but the ruling on the site doubler + exchanger changed my mind.  However, Tim's post just clarified the difference: "Hold" vs. "place."

Therefore, I'm back on the side of Gabe/Tim.  Sorry for the confusion.

Hey,

A "hold" ability is just a "place" ability in disguise.  This was discussed by the PTB shortly after nationals 2008 and will be addressed more clearly in the next update to the REG.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Hey,

Will this update come prior to Nats?

I sure hope so.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly