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If I attack with a giant slayer, say, Abishai, and my opponent blocks with Goliath, can I add another hero to battle?  Goliath says "Opponent may present a new hero", and he doesn't have a condition that no heroes be in battle.  And the hero I add will be "new" whether or not a hero is already in battle.

Goliath (P)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 10 / 10 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Return all Heroes in battle to territory (except giant-slayers). Opponent may present a new Hero. Negate all band, draw, and play abilities. Cannot be negated.

But Goliath is CBN so he cannot negate himself.

My instincts tell me that this works but I could be missing something.

I would think the intent here is that the "Opponent may present a new hero" is triggered by Goliath kicking the old hero(es) out of battle. If Goliath doesn't kick your hero(es) out of battle for whatever reason (because they are giant-slayers or are protected from withdraw, etc.) then you don't get to "present a new hero." Just my two cents worth. :-)

That was, obviously, the intent, but intent doesn't matter (see Split Alter).

That's one Split Altar buck you owe the kitty.  (Great idea from YMT, btw).

It seems sense the old hero is still in battle, that a new hero cannot be presented. And sense banding is negated, a new hero cannot be banded in.

I agree that you should be able to bring an additional hero into battle...of course, if Abishai has initiative vs. Goliath, I'm not sure why you'd want to bring someone else in to give the initiative away...

If you are talking about the new hero coming into battle when the original hero is still there, then it would be a banding ability.  Anytime a card increase the number of characters on your side of the battle to greater than 1, then it is considered a banding ability in addition to whatever else it is. 

Really?  That's the first I've heard of that.  I've always ruled that "add to battle" was different then "band." (i.e. Unknown Nation)

Unknown Nation is a band ability. However, things like 12FG can't negate it if it is in the artifact pile.

Why not?  Is this a "defaults to" issue?  I thought cards defaulted to "in play"

Hmm. This same issue occurred during Warriors when TSA and the like negated... everything. I thought that was fixed by a rule, but apparently, they just added "in battle" to TSA, et all.

I agree that you should be able to bring an additional hero into battle...of course, if Abishai has initiative vs. Goliath, I'm not sure why you'd want to bring someone else in to give the initiative away...

Well one thing I thought of was adding Asahel/Jael/Ehud to battle to add a second EC to battle...  But since Goliath would still be in battle, would CTB abilities be negated on the second hero to enter battle?  Is CTB "banding" if an EC is already in battle?

CTB played after an EC is in battle would kick that EC out of battle, I believe, so Asahel would kick Goliath out to choose someone else.

Give Goliath a taste of his own medicine.

CTB played after an EC is in battle would kick that EC out of battle, I believe, so Asahel would kick Goliath out to choose someone else.

unless that person has wall up

FBTN characters like TSA, Moses, etc. negate all characters and enhancements in play, not just in battle. Otherwise the prevent part of their abilities wouldn't do much since characters aren't in battle until their SA's have had a chance to complete.

Territory class enhancements played a turn or even a phase before like Herods Treachery CBN right?