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i have always used chamber/IaH extensively and cant believe what im seeing on a ruling from AngelWars. and then rob saying "what? ive never allowed that...?  I understand the ruling. just still in awe of it. MAN.

I would not assume that Rob was aware of previous rulings on this combo and then changed his mind, which is the way some people are treating this. I, like Rob, would not have ruled the combo to work in the first place. However, unless you have seen or ruled about this combo, there was never a reason to even consider it prior to now.

The point that the good Professor is trying to make is that this decision is about ruling "instead" from now on, not really about ruling the combo (or any other hidden combo). The decision about how to rule "instead" abilities is extremely important, and supercedes the peripheral effects on previously used combos.

I think this ruling makes sense, if you want to use an example using money

I have to pay $5 to get in a tournament, if I instead spend it on some snacks I don't get to go to the tournament (unless I pay another $5)

Otherwise it makes sense that things getting insteaded away shouldn't work because it never really happened, I didn't actually discard a good card for I am Holy, or I didn't remove a demon from the game for Suicidal Swine Stamped so why should I get the benifit?

I also understand the other side saying that the instead comes after the trigger is met, but this is really a timing thing, if instead happens before triggers are checked for (like how Seven Sons of Sceva doesn't trigger angel's sword if you switch for a demon) then they shouldn't happen, if instead happens after triggers are checked then it should work, but I think it makes sense to happen before triggers check.