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Offline Reth

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Obadiah's caves and removal from game out of DC pile
« on: August 11, 2017, 03:41:35 PM »
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Hi Guys,

just want to know what happens if Obadiah's caves is active and green brigade prophets are removed from the game out of DC pile (e.g. by using Ast. Worship)? Will they go from DC pile and be placed on Obadiah's caves?

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Re: Obadiah's caves and removal from game out of DC pile
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2017, 03:44:13 PM »
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Targets default to play unless specified otherwise. Caves doesn't specify the locations it targets so it only works when a Prophet that is in play is removed from the game.

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Re: Obadiah's caves and removal from game out of DC pile
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2017, 01:30:58 PM »
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Does the Caves instead default to in play???

 For some reason long ago I thought instead does not default to in play??  Assuming the caves could instead the remove ability on  prophets in discard pile as well.

or is there something I am missing??

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Re: Obadiah's caves and removal from game out of DC pile
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2017, 01:57:13 PM »
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Does the Caves instead default to in play???

Every part of Caves' ability only applies to Prophets in play.

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Re: Obadiah's caves and removal from game out of DC pile
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2017, 01:42:04 PM »
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Does the Caves instead default to in play???

Every part of Caves' ability only applies to Prophets in play.

That is not correct. An angel discarded from deck goes to Chamber of Angels instead of the discard pile. An orange demon discarded from deck by Gates of Hell goes to territory instead.
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Re: Obadiah's caves and removal from game out of DC pile
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2017, 01:57:38 PM »
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Does the Caves instead default to in play???

Every part of Caves' ability only applies to Prophets in play.

That is not correct. An angel discarded from deck goes to Chamber of Angels instead of the discard pile. An orange demon discarded from deck by Gates of Hell goes to territory instead.

Does this mean that if, for example, my opponent uses Confusion to banish my green prophet from my deck/hand while Caves is in play, the prophet will go to Caves instead?
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Re: Obadiah's caves and removal from game out of DC pile
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2017, 01:59:55 PM »
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Yes.
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Re: Obadiah's caves and removal from game out of DC pile
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2017, 02:00:22 PM »
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Does the Caves instead default to in play???

Every part of Caves' ability only applies to Prophets in play.

That is not correct. An angel discarded from deck goes to Chamber of Angels instead of the discard pile. An orange demon discarded from deck by Gates of Hell goes to territory instead.

The ability on Gates of Hell is different since it is specifically targeting the bottom card of your deck and then telling you what to do with it.

Chamber and Caves should be exactly the same though I was not aware Chamber worked that way. What is special about these kinds of abilities that causes them to not follow normal ability rules? I assume it's something to do with the instead modifier but I wasn't able to find anything in the REG that would indicate this.

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Re: Obadiah's caves and removal from game out of DC pile
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2017, 10:02:41 AM »
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Instead abilities target abilities, not cards.  This is why Dust and Ashes can save a Job that is not in play when it is harmed.  Obadiah's Caves "instead" the removal of your prophets, including those not in play (such as in discard).
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