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Hey,

say I wouI still think calling it a tie would be the best solution...for two players to be in that position and one of them loses because of a coin flip?

I can honestlyld rather call it a tie than get the outright win if I were a player in that spot. Winning a coin flip would seriously cheapen any feeling of accomplishment.

I've had games where there were six cards left in my draw pile at the beginning of my turn.  If I draw Son of God during my draw phase I win, if I don't I lose.  Effectively my game is determined by a coin flip isn't it?  Games between evenly matched players often are determined by an element of chance, I don't see why we need to avoid chance in this sort of situation.

Although I think my preference would be to give preference in a counterclockwise direction.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

If there are 2 souls out, you can't rescue 4 out of that, right?

If there are 4 souls out and 2 players hit Son of God/NJ at the same time, then it is a tie.  There is no conflict.

I'm talking about ties between dominants where one cannot happen if the other does.

Player A attacks.  Player B blocks.  Player C plays Grapes and player A plays AotL at the same time.  Only one can win.

I vote for clockwise from the blocker.  I know it feels to Kevin that seating order puts one guy out of luck, but that is the same with a coin toss.  In other words, the seating order is the coin toss. 

If player A, B, and C are clockwise around the table, then A's dominants will beat B's in ties, and B's will beat C's, and C's will beat A's.  Roshambo.

Why not say you have to place the Dominants on the target? All Dominants have a target. Who ever gets to the target first wins? This means some action, but some clarity. Card on bottom was first played. Easy to Judge. SoG on the LS it is rescuing and NJ on the LS it is rescuing. If second player's SoG beats first players NJ to target. Too Bad.

Why not say you have to place the Dominants on the target?

Because if I have to lean halfway across the table to play a dominant on a card, it will be painfully obvious to another closer player, who may then be able to simply drop a dominant from his hand onto the card to counter what I was trying to do.

Kevin Shride

Quote from: Kevin Shride on September 30, 2009, 05:56:08 PM

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Why not say you have to place the Dominants on the target?

Because if I have to lean halfway across the table to play a dominant on a card, it will be painfully obvious to another closer player, who may then be able to simply drop a dominant from his hand onto the card to counter what I was trying to do.

Good point.  While I see the merit of the suggestion, I think Kevin's nailed its impraticality.

oops, my SoG landed on the unrescued 2liner instead of the other LS.....

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Why not say you have to place the Dominants on the target?

Because if I have to lean halfway across the table to play a dominant on a card, it will be painfully obvious to another closer player, who may then be able to simply drop a dominant from his hand onto the card to counter what I was trying to do.

Kevin Shride

So, what is the problem? or the impracticality? How is this more impractical than the obvious blind guess of whose cards hit the open table first? It seems to me that it would be a more exciting than the bad luck of sitting in the wrong chair. In fact, the more we can make Redemption a contact sport the better. 

Lol,

That reminded me of one of my friends epic quotes -

"I think that chess should be added as an olympic sport - But only for the winter olympics - and only full contact chess." ~ Kenneth Ramage.

ALL YOUR PAWN ARE BELONG TO US *Smacks other players pawn across the room*.

Hey,

Or we could go old school and do a sudden death game to 1

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

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If there are 2 souls out, you can't rescue 4 out of that, right?

So your argument is that because 1 card (or 1 pair of cards) cannot be in two places, we should not consider ties a viable option?

I honestly cannot believe people would rather have a game decided by a coin flip or seat arrangement when two players made the exact same play to win. A tie is way more logical and not problematic at all. In a 4 person MP game, each player gets 2 points--heck, you could have a 3 way tie and each person gets 1.333 points. In a 3 person MP game, two tied players get 1.5 points each.

Wait... this would get SO complicated. I don't really love the idea of basing something like this on luck... but to have tie games or 3 way ties and split points I don't think is right.