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Offline Josh

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Angel at the Tomb
« on: June 09, 2010, 08:16:30 PM »
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Scenario:  I attack my opponent with a hero (SA not important).  Opponent blocks with a Pale Green character and plays Confusion.  He discards my Son of God and still has initiative, so he plays Forgotten History.  As one of the 4 cards to remove from the game, he selects the Son of God he just discarded.  

Next turn, I attack with Angel at the Tomb.  Can I shuffle my Son of God back into my deck, even though it has been removed from the game?

Angel at the Tomb (Priests) - "If your Son of God was discarded without making a rescue, shuffle it into draw pile. Cannot be negated."

Forgotten History - "Select up to four cards from one opponent's discard pile and remove then from the game. The battle immediately ends. Cannot be negated."
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2010, 09:39:43 PM »
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No. Once a card is removed from the game (and not immediately negated), it cannot be returned by a special ability.
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2010, 08:33:39 AM »
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Quote from: YourMathTeacher on June 09, 2010, 09:39:43 PM
No. Once a card is removed from the game (and not immediately negated), it cannot be returned by a special ability.
But cards that target a specific named other card generally can affect that card anywhere it can logically be, whether in play or not, so why does it matter that it's removed from the game? Cards set aside normally don't return except by the effect of whatever set them aside, but there are cards that can bring them back sooner.
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2010, 09:13:45 AM »
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Cards removed from the game effectively do not exist for game purposes.
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2010, 12:31:15 PM »
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Quote from: BubbleBoy on June 10, 2010, 09:13:45 AM
Cards removed from the game effectively do not exist for game purposes.
That's what I was thinking.  Otherwise "removed from the game" wouldn't really mean what it says.
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2010, 01:00:12 PM »
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Hey,

Quote from: New REG
Once a card has been removed from the game it has no location (with respect to the game) and is not targetable by any card.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2010, 06:18:00 PM »
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Quote from: jmhartz on June 10, 2010, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: BubbleBoy on June 10, 2010, 09:13:45 AM
Cards removed from the game effectively do not exist for game purposes.
That's what I was thinking.  Otherwise "removed from the game" wouldn't really mean what it says.
In that case, Redemption is the only TCG I play where "removed from the game" actually means that :P. All others have ways of getting removed cards back. As such, i just figured I'd confirm the official Redemption definition of "removed from game".
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2010, 09:18:05 PM »
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there are cards in yugio i think that get cards that were removed from the game which is kind of lame
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2010, 09:35:05 PM »
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If other card games have a discard pile AND a remove-from-game, but it also has a way to get cards back from BOTH of those situations, I have to say that's a mistake on their part.  I don't see the point in creating both those scenarios but allowing you to get cards back in both cases.  That's really just discard and discard++
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2010, 09:52:04 PM »
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The point is that its harder to get them back, or at least means you have to use special cards to make recursion more difficult.  And occasionally other card games use the "removed from game area" like redemption uses set aside area, however I've heard that withing the last one or two years MTG has renamed theirs Exiled so that it makes a little more sense why they can bring cards back.
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2010, 09:55:14 PM »
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why do they call it a removal instead of a set aside then?
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2010, 09:56:15 PM »
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Because they are uncreative with names?

I don't know, I didn't design them.
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2010, 11:24:29 AM »
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well I wish the creators of yugio were on the boards then
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2010, 08:17:14 PM »
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So we'd get 99% of all cards banned because we refuse to bann the one insta-win card in game. Brilliant.
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2010, 08:26:42 PM »
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set-aside in redemption is discard++. no point in that.
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2010, 09:30:02 PM »
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The remove from the game zone is just another way to enhance the game with special abilities that can target this area specifically.

In MtG the setaside area and the removed from the game zone (aka exiled) is one and the same and yes there are cards that can target them in this area.

Redemption already has cards that target both areas even though im not sure the removed from the game area is technically recognized except through cards like Forgotten History as stated above.

Hopfully in the future, cards will exist that target this area more.

ex. take one card removed from the game or set aside and add it to hand.
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2010, 09:39:24 PM »
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Redemption does not have a card that targets anything removed from the game.
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Re: Angel at the Tomb
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2010, 09:44:47 PM »
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I'd like to point out that there is no "Angel at the Tomb" in priests, only warriors. There is a similar priest card though, Angel at Tomb.
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