Author Topic: ANB Question (Read 6257 times)

Rawrlolsauce! · « **on:** July 07, 2010, 03:02:01 PM »

My opponent has the Color Guard in a green site and some PG ECs with horses on them in his territory. He attacks and plays ANB. The horses are shuffled, correct?

TheJaylor · « **Reply #1 on:** July 07, 2010, 03:11:49 PM »

no they stay with the evil character it is the same with house of Rimmon when it protects them from shuffle NC&H stay on them

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #2 on:** July 07, 2010, 03:12:37 PM »

It says the characters are immune. Not the enhancements.

crustpope · « **Reply #3 on:** July 07, 2010, 03:32:18 PM »

yeah, but the enhancements are considered part of the charachter. They are third in the list of SA''s that activate, even before banding and choose the blocker abilities so they kinda become part of the character

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #4 on:** July 07, 2010, 03:37:00 PM »

Sauce is correct. Enhancements have no protection.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #5 on:** July 07, 2010, 03:39:25 PM »

Can we get more opinions? or an UBER ELDER?

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #6 on:** July 07, 2010, 03:41:19 PM »

Hm...I'm not sure which way I want to go on this one...ELDER!!!

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #7 on:** July 07, 2010, 04:04:30 PM »

Magnets, how do they work?

Similar situation: Lets say I have Philly Garrison with any enh on him. My opponent is RA'ing with a single hero, I block with philly. Could he theoretically play a card that says "discard any evil enhancement" and discard Philly's?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #8 on:** July 07, 2010, 04:46:27 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 07, 2010, 03:02:01 PM

My opponent has the Color Guard in a green site and some PG ECs with horses on them in his territory. He attacks and plays ANB. The horses are shuffled, correct?

Correct.

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 07, 2010, 04:04:30 PM

Magnets, how do they work?

Similar situation: Lets say I have Philly Garrison with any enh on him. My opponent is RA'ing with a single hero, I block with philly. Could he theoretically play a card that says "discard any evil enhancement" and discard Philly's?

Yes. I don't know of any cases where immunity has ever been extended to enhancements of any kind, including WC. If they did became part of the character, then they should increase the character's numbers in territory, right? It has been ruled that the do not (i.e. a 9/7 WC character with a 2/2 Horsie on him can still block Widow)

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2010, 05:22:53 PM »

SOMEONE PLEASE YELL AT AND ARGUE WITH PROF. IF HE IS CORRECT, MY "WIN WITHOUT GIVING YOUR OPPONENT A TURN" COMBO IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO PULL OFF.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2010, 05:24:18 PM »

Yeah, but its still epic, and can be totally awesome.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #11 on:** July 07, 2010, 05:25:44 PM »

Its still possible to win without giving your opponent a turn. It just needs to be stacked, you must shuffle it right, and your opponent must cut correctly, like that deck I used at MN State.

Master KChief · « **Reply #12 on:** July 07, 2010, 05:27:12 PM »

HEART OF THE CARDS!!!11!1!!!1! TOPDECK!!!!!!111!11!1!1!!!

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #13 on:** July 07, 2010, 05:29:26 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 07, 2010, 05:22:53 PM

SOMEONE PLEASE YELL AT AND ARGUE WITH PROF.

Hate to let you down, but I think the Profs are in agreement

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #14 on:** July 07, 2010, 05:35:01 PM »

Looks like I'm the one that has to argue for 10 pages.

First argument; If you disagree with this epic combo, you're a nazi.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #15 on:** July 07, 2010, 06:08:07 PM »

Quote from: Rawrlolsauce! on July 07, 2010, 05:35:01 PM

First argument; If you disagree with this epic combo, you're a nazi.

Tell you what: if you reveal your combo, and convince me that you could possibly beat me without giving me a turn, then I will consider your position as possibly correct.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #16 on:** July 07, 2010, 06:10:22 PM »

It is technically possible to win without you getting a turn, depending on an additional ruling, without the shuffleness, but I don't want to reveal it until NC Regionals. Giving the Elders time to logically rule on it reduces its chances at legality.

Until then, sir

crustpope · « **Reply #17 on:** July 07, 2010, 07:10:54 PM »

looks like someone learned that lesson from a recent "highway" ruling...

seriously though, I will provide the argument. If weapons follow the EC while they are converted, why dont they recieve the protection that the EC has?

Visualize it like this. If I am an EC holding a sword, the sword is an extention of my ability to act. IF I am converted, then I can carry the sword and do good with it. IF I am protected from an effect, My sword is always with me so it should be protected as well. When I am captured, my sword is taken (via the capturing process) as I am sent to bondage.

It seems that with Capturing and converting we have one way of viewing a WC enhancement, but when we speak of "effect" we have a different view. THe WC enhancement has not changed, it is still a part of the EC.

Do WC enhancements get shuffled if the EC is in a house?(read KotW)

This just view of EC enhancements does not make any sense to me. It seems that they dont follow a logical path to determining what happens to them. How can I be protected from a tornado(read ANB) yet the sword I hold in my hand is magically carried away?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #18 on:** July 07, 2010, 07:13:11 PM »

The current ruling does seem to fall in place with the logic that weapons don't add to base abilities, and therefore aren't protected by special abilities. And besides, if immunity carries to enhancements, that means immune characters all use CBN enhancements. No thanks!

This post has been Crust'd!

crustpope · « **Reply #19 on:** July 07, 2010, 07:15:58 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 07, 2010, 07:13:11 PM

And besides, if immunity carries to enhancements, that means immune characters all use CBN enhancements. No thanks!

Not following this one...Why cant I just interrupt a WC enhancement on an immune garrison?

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #20 on:** July 07, 2010, 07:20:36 PM »

Oh. Wait. I got my complex algorithms messed up. It's Rock>Scissors>Paper>Rock, not Rock>Paper>Scissors>Rock.

Oops.

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #21 on:** July 07, 2010, 07:21:28 PM »

I don't understand what anyone is saying, but I agree with Crustpope beings my combo is pretty cool. Lots of room for improving, and its current stage is quite powerful.

crustpope · « **Reply #22 on:** July 07, 2010, 07:29:46 PM »

If I win this argument for you (which I doubt I will since I am persona non grata in this post highway redemption landscape

), then you have to share the combo with me.

I find it highly unlikely that any combo can give their opponent zero turns from the first get go and I am intrigued.

Red Dragon Thorn · « **Reply #23 on:** July 07, 2010, 08:06:13 PM »

It would almost certanily have to be a stacked deck and more than a few rulings would have to go the combo's way, two of which are extremely flimsy (IMO)

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #24 on:** July 07, 2010, 08:07:48 PM »

Who cares. Potential is potential.

. EDIT: 3 flimsy rulings if you count this one. Honestly, I think the answer to one is no, and its the most important one.

I'm not too worried about the stacking part. The idea of this deck isn't to win without giving your opponent a turn (which is currently impossible, beings I switched some cards around to get the combo easier). The idea is to play it normally and pull off the combo if given the chance.

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