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Habakkuk (TeP) makes a rescue attempt.  He's blocked by Philistine Garrison.  The rescuer plays ANB.  What happens to Garrison?

a) He's discarded by Habakkuk's SA.

b) He's shuffled by ANB.

c) He remains in play because he's immune to all the above.


Habakkuk
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Green • Ability: 6 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate all protect abilities on evil cards. After this battle, you may discard a warrior class Evil Character. Cannot be negated. • Attributes: Prophet • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Prophet • Verse: Habakkuk 3:1-2

Philistine Garrison
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 12 / 8 • Class: • Special Ability: Immune to lone Heroes. • Attributes: Generic, Philistine, Fought Earthly Battle • Identifiers: Generic OT Male Human, Philistia, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: I Samuel 14:12

A New Beginning - If making a rescue attempt, remove this card from the game to shuffle all cards in play, set aside areas, and hands into decks.  End the battle.  All players draw 8.  End the turn.  Begin a new turn.

This depends upon whether imminity is defined as a protect ability.  I have hear that it is not and therefore habakkuk does not negate it so Garrison would be immune to ANB and the answer woudl be C.

Question now becomes can Habakkuk still d/c him after that battle or would Garrison be immune to his ability to d/c a warrior class EC.

I would say (C)

Further Question:

In Type 2, would Garrison recieve a counter.

yessir. Garrison survives, no soul was rescued...sounds like a successful block to me!

At MW Regional we played that Garrison was immune, stayed in play and got a counter for a successful block.  From what I understand I think that's right.  Now I'm just curious if there's anything we missed or if it was played correctly.

That just seems odd, especially since these two cards came out in the same set.  It seemed to me that the designers intended Garrison's Immunity to not protect them from this because they were not in battle anymore.  I had always been taught that character abilities are only active during battle, unless stated otherwise on the card.  I see Habbakuk as one of those "otherwise" cards, because his specifically says AFTER the battle.  But I'm probably wrong.  On a side note, any card saying something like "After the battle", is confusing for this very reason and un-needed, in my opinion.

There are two issues I see here:

First, what is the order of things happening when the battle ends? If it's as follows:

1. Ongoing special abilities deactivate
2. Used enhancements are discarded
3. Characters return to territory/are discarded as appropriate
4. Any special abilities triggered by the end of battle occur

Then I would say that Habbakuk CAN kill Garrison, since Garrison's immunity is deactivated before triggered SAs. However, if #4 actually comes first, then Habbakuk can't kill Garrison, since his immunity is still active when Habbakuk is triggered. I'm not completely sure which is correct, as I currently can't access the REG (all I get is a white screen with the words ByLenis in the top. Anyone else having that issue? I have gotten that on two different computers using two different browsers). However, I would lean toward the first option (the 1-4 I listed) which would lead me to believe that Garrison would be discarded.

The second issue is what happens first, the rest of ANB after it says the battle ends, or everything else triggered by the battle ending. That is, does it go like this: Remove, shuffle, end battle, perform 1-4, draw 8, end turn, begin new turn? Or is it: Remove, shuffle, end battle, draw 8, end turn, begin new turn, perform 1-4? While I don't usually favor SA's being split up as in the first example, ANB is a strange card that spans multiple phases that I think it might warrant a split up SA as stated previously. One reason in particular that I'd say it's split up is this: say I use a different hero and do the same thing against Garrison. Garrison goes back to territory previous to the next turn right? Otherwise, he's just hanging out in battle, which I would find odd.

If it isn't split up, I would have a harder time convincing myself that Habbakuk's SA is still triggered in the next turn, and would think it might "fizzle" as they say, but I suppose it's not completely farfetched. If it did carry over however, I would definitely say that PG would be discarded, because his SA is most certainly not active any longer.

So in conclusion, my vote is for A. I think that my analysis makes the most sense for what seems to happen at the end of any battle, but also ANB vs. immunity battles especially.

Immune is immune and protect is protect.  They have similar functions and are on the same point in the rock-paper-scissors triangle, but don't make it harder on yourself by trying to morph "protect ability" into "an ability that kind has a protect-like functiony thing".

Therefore, I say C.

I just don't see how an EC who is immune to a hero can be affected by the hero's SA. That's what doesn't sit right with me.

Somewhat related question: Can Ark of the Covenant discard an EC used in battle if there is a protection fort?

Additionally, when doing battle resolution, the triggered special abilities have to be first, because the treatment of all other cards are done by game rule, and therefore you first have to know which cards are otherwise affected before you know which ones are left over to treat as normal.

That was really confusing, but ironically I agree.

At least I think so .....  

Additionally, when doing battle resolution, the triggered special abilities have to be first, because the treatment of all other cards are done by game rule, and therefore you first have to know which cards are otherwise affected before you know which ones are left over to treat as normal.

That does make sense, however, how does Chariot of Fire return Heroes who just lost in battle to the draw pile? That's how I've always seen it played at least, though I guess I might be wrong.

"Following your rescue attempt" is interpreted to mean during your discard phase, when the Battle Phase is over.

I won't say at this time that "after this battle" should also mean that it waits until Battle Phase moves to Discard Phase, but neither will I dismiss the possibility.

I think it's one of those letter of the word rulings...it has to say "protect" on the evil card to be negated. Same as "places" cannot be used for high places. It has to say "place". Protect is the intention of immunity, but verbatim is not the same thing.

I won't say at this time that "after this battle" should also mean that it waits until Battle Phase moves to Discard Phase, but neither will I dismiss the possibility.

I always thought SAs last until the end of the phase. If you wait until Discard Phase, then Habbakuk's SA will no longer be active. If SAs must stay active (unless negated) until the end of phase, Garrison's immunity is still active until the Discard Phase. If not, then I do not see how any 'after battle' ability on a character or enhancement would ever work.