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Re: Ambush
« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2011, 11:06:36 AM »
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Quote from: Bryon on August 23, 2011, 03:47:08 AM
If opponent doesn't block, then you flip the hero and see if he can rescue the lost soul (if he is N.T., angel, etc.).
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2011, 01:16:08 PM »
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Ok. But shouldn't that be in the play-as or errata somewhere? Because I wouldn't assume that.

And then the question still remains, does he get his special ability during battle resolution? What if his ability is to choose an opponent's evil character to block, but he chose not to block? Does that activate? Like Asahel.
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2011, 01:34:35 PM »
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Quote from: lightningninja on August 24, 2011, 01:16:08 PM
Ok. But shouldn't that be in the play-as or errata somewhere? Because I wouldn't assume that.

And then the question still remains, does he get his special ability during battle resolution? What if his ability is to choose an opponent's evil character to block, but he chose not to block? Does that activate? Like Asahel.

Yes, it activates no matter what your opponent decided to do about blocking.  After all, that's part of what "choose the blocker" is all about.  ;)
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2011, 02:08:30 PM »
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Quote from: STAMP on August 24, 2011, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: lightningninja on August 24, 2011, 01:16:08 PM
Ok. But shouldn't that be in the play-as or errata somewhere? Because I wouldn't assume that.

And then the question still remains, does he get his special ability during battle resolution? What if his ability is to choose an opponent's evil character to block, but he chose not to block? Does that activate? Like Asahel.

Yes, it activates no matter what your opponent decided to do about blocking.  After all, that's part of what "choose the blocker" is all about.  ;)

Yes, is a CtB ability activates, then you get to choose a blocker. At that point, the battle becomes interesting.
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2011, 04:42:18 PM »
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Apparently Gabe, Bryon, and the "other Prof" all agree that the SA on an "ambush"d hero should activate after it is flipped up despite it not being blocked.  Therefore, this should be considered the official ruling at this point.

And that would include CTB.
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2011, 05:59:23 PM »
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So does the battle now reverse a step, and go back to battle phase, or stay in battle resolution, and although they block no enhancement can be played?
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2011, 06:03:36 PM »
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Quote from: lightningninja on August 24, 2011, 05:59:23 PM
So does the battle now reverse a step, and go back to battle phase, or stay in battle resolution, and although they block no enhancement can be played?

Just because your opponent refuses to block doesn't mean you go directly to battle resolution.  You have to flip the hero, activate the SA and then complete any further battle activities that may arise prior to entering battle resolution.
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2011, 06:05:22 PM »
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But Bryon's explanation was that you are flipping him up to decide which ls he can get. That is battle resolution.
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2011, 06:16:33 PM »
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Actually you are flipping the hero up to see if it has access to a lost soul.  You still don't receive it until battle resolution.


An unintended consequence of this is that now your opponent will at least get to respond with a dominant if you activate a choose the blocker ability.
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2011, 07:01:07 PM »
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So let's say it's Asahel's band ability you choose, and you band to Ishmaiah and draw 2. Can they block now?
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #35 on: August 24, 2011, 07:02:57 PM »
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No, they already chose not to block.  And since you did not choose a blocker, then battle resolution would begin.
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #36 on: August 24, 2011, 07:06:11 PM »
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If they are not able to block, you are in battle resolution. That has always been my understanding.

Battle phase - you can attack, they can block, play enhancement, someone wins.

Battle Resolution - decide which lost souls are eligible for rescue.

Am I wrong on how I am defining this? Because if you are flipping up to decide which ls you can rescue, that should be battle resolution. You don't determine ls eligibility in the battle phase (well only to determine if it is a battle challenge).
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #37 on: August 24, 2011, 07:36:24 PM »
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Deciding which lost souls are eligible for rescue occurs in the Battle portion of the Battle Phase, as there are cards that refer to Rescue Attempt, which can only be known if there are souls to be rescued.
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Re: Ambush
« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2011, 08:08:14 PM »
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Quote from: lightningninja on August 24, 2011, 01:16:08 PM
Ok. But shouldn't that be in the play-as or errata somewhere? Because I wouldn't assume that.

It is in the Play As!

Play As: Set aside a male Hero (face down) from your hand for one turn. Return Hero to territory face down. Hero enters battle face down with access to any site. When opponent presents an Evil Character in battle or chooses not to block, Hero is flipped face up.

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Re: Ambush
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2011, 09:20:33 PM »
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Quote from: Ring Wraith on August 24, 2011, 07:36:24 PM
Deciding which lost souls are eligible for rescue occurs in the Battle portion of the Battle Phase, as there are cards that refer to Rescue Attempt, which can only be known if there are souls to be rescued.
Ok, thanks. I thought there were two checks for lost souls. One when you enter battle to determine if it is a rescue attempt or battle challenge, and then one during battle resolution to determine which one you rescue. I guess I was wrong.
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