Author Topic: Ahimelech, Priest at Nob (Read 4453 times)

STAMP · « **on:** February 02, 2009, 06:22:46 PM »

I already searched but of course several threads were removed.

Can Ahimelech retrieve Two Thousand Horses from the discard pile and place on Michael?

Ahimelech, Priest at Nob
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: 3 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: Search discard pile for a weapon class Enhancement and place on your warrior class Hero that has no weapon and convert weapon to that Hero’s brigade. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Tabernacle Priest (House of Ithamar) • Verse: I Samuel 21:1

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2009, 06:27:31 PM »

I don't see why not. An errata would be needed otherwise.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2009, 06:32:42 PM »

Yes. I built a deck two years ago that was built around a similar combo, and it was ruled legal by at least two of the PTB.

Captain Falcon · « **Reply #3 on:** February 04, 2009, 07:33:55 PM »

but michael does have a weapon, though. I want this to work, but i'm not sure.

mjwolfe · « **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2009, 07:48:44 PM »

My deck at Nationals used this method to put Two Thousand Horses and Naaman's Chariots and Horses on various heroes so that I could play enhancements before being blocked. It's been ruled legal on numerous occasions.

Mike

lightningninja · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:21:02 PM »

Quote from: mjwolfe on February 04, 2009, 07:48:44 PM

My deck at Nationals used this method to put Two Thousand Horses and Naaman's Chariots and Horses on various heroes so that I could play enhancements before being blocked. It's been ruled legal on numerous occasions.

Mike

That works? What about the rule that no hero can ever use an evil enhancement, unless stated otherwise? It just changes the brigade, not the type of enhancement.

TimMierz · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:42:25 PM »

Quote from: fireninja on February 04, 2009, 08:21:02 PM

That works? What about the rule that no hero can ever use an evil enhancement, unless stated otherwise? It just changes the brigade, not the type of enhancement.

It converts it. Conversion can be from evil to good.

lightningninja · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:43:13 PM »

It only says to convert the brigade, though, not the TYPE of enhancement. Didn't know that was legal...

mjwolfe · « **Reply #8 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:47:07 PM »

Quote from: fireninja on February 04, 2009, 08:43:13 PM

It only says to convert the brigade, though, not the TYPE of enhancement. Didn't know that was legal...

That's because the brigades in Redemption are not independent of the Evil/Good status. So if you convert a Pale Green Evil Enhancement to Teal you don't get a Teal Evil Enhancement you get a Teal Good Enhancement because Teal is only a Good brigade.

Mike

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #9 on:** February 04, 2009, 09:21:29 PM »

Quote from: fireninja on February 04, 2009, 08:43:13 PM

It only says to convert the brigade, though, not the TYPE of enhancement. Didn't know that was legal...

What happens when you convert the brigade of an Evil Character to white with seventh trumpet?

Sean · « **Reply #10 on:** February 04, 2009, 09:24:25 PM »

If a character holding a weapon is converted then the weapon is converted along with them.

The Schaef · « **Reply #11 on:** February 04, 2009, 09:25:30 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on February 04, 2009, 09:21:29 PM

What happens when you convert the brigade of an Evil Character to white with seventh trumpet?

You mean when you convert to a "white brigade HERO" as the card specifically states?

Quote from: mjwolfe on February 04, 2009, 08:47:07 PM

That's because the brigades in Redemption are not independent of the Evil/Good status.

According to the Battle Prayer ruling, they are.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #12 on:** February 04, 2009, 09:35:13 PM »

And yet again, Schaef leaves us pondering, but without any solid answers.

Personally, I think this combo is both legal and...SUPER-SPECIAL-AWESOME!!!

Gabe · « **Reply #13 on:** February 04, 2009, 10:25:13 PM »

Schaef is just being his lovely, argumentative self because the examples given don't necessarily prove anything.

Ahimelech can convert evil weapons so that a Hero can use it. Bryon has stated this in the past. Besides the reasons previously given about conversion by others he also brought up the fact that it's Biblically accurate to do so. Ahimelech's ability is based on the passage where he gives David (a Hero) Goliath's Sword (an evil weapon). Go read the story, it's a good one.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2009, 11:46:47 PM »

Ok what if you use this card to play an evil gold weapon on a good gold hero

The brigade is technically the same color

(I'm kidding see

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mjwolfe · « **Reply #15 on:** February 05, 2009, 04:12:39 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 04, 2009, 11:46:47 PM

Ok what if you use this card to play an evil gold weapon on a good gold hero The brigade is technically the same color (I'm kidding see )

Quote from: The Schaef on February 04, 2009, 09:25:30 PM

Quote from: mjwolfe on February 04, 2009, 08:47:07 PM
That's because the brigades in Redemption are not independent of the Evil/Good status.

According to the Battle Prayer ruling, they are.

I've always thought of the Gold good brigade as a different brigade than the gold evil brigade even though they have the same color. So Battle prayer is really saying to get a gold evil brigade enhancement or a gold good brigade enhancement. Two different brigades, they just chose the same color to represent themselves. Kinda like two countries that used the same colors for their flag; different countries, same colors.

Mike

The Schaef · « **Reply #16 on:** February 05, 2009, 08:20:46 AM »

But the point is that it doesn't say either/or. It says one thing: get a gold Enhancement.

Either way, I don't know why Bubble et al are looking for solid answers from me; a bunch of other people have already confirmed what the ruling is for this issue.

MichaelHue · « **Reply #17 on:** February 05, 2009, 10:35:16 AM »

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 04, 2009, 11:46:47 PM

Ok what if you use this card to play an evil gold weapon on a good gold hero The brigade is technically the same color (I'm kidding see )

You can't, because you can't convert a card to the brigade it already is, and you can't play evil enhancements on heroes.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #18 on:** February 05, 2009, 05:58:11 PM »

Quote from: MichaelHue on February 05, 2009, 10:35:16 AM

Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 04, 2009, 11:46:47 PM
Ok what if you use this card to play an evil gold weapon on a good gold hero The brigade is technically the same color (I'm kidding see )
You can't, because you can't convert a card to the brigade it already is, and you can't play evil enhancements on heroes.

I think he knows that; he said he was just kidding....

MichaelHue · « **Reply #19 on:** February 06, 2009, 11:29:00 AM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 05, 2009, 05:58:11 PM

Quote from: MichaelHue on February 05, 2009, 10:35:16 AM
Quote from: TheKarazyvicePresidentRR on February 04, 2009, 11:46:47 PM
Ok what if you use this card to play an evil gold weapon on a good gold hero The brigade is technically the same color (I'm kidding see )
You can't, because you can't convert a card to the brigade it already is, and you can't play evil enhancements on heroes.
I think he knows that; he said he was just kidding....

Haha, you had me there for a second

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