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1. I never said you were looking for loopholes. I was pointing out that there are others who frequent this board who are not as charitable as I whom seem to enjoy disparaging the motives of other posters. Particularly in a case like this where the official ruling was handed down in early November, Bryon definitively confirmed the ruling in December, and disagreements keep bubbling up even as we verge on April.

2. My bad. I misunderstood the depth of conviction you meant to portray with "I am reluctant..."

3. Since the latest explanation underlying the Spy + Warriors Spear ruling is that withdrawing a lone hero does not end the battle (and that the current REG is incorrect), the Siege example has exactly zero to do with the ruling.

4. If you don't feel this question is worthy of a new thread specifically focused on your concern (and to be clear I do think you have a legitimate question that should be adjudicated), I am not sure what purpose you feel is being served by repeatedly bringing it up in other threads.

5. Your welcome. This was something I accidentally stumbled across a while back. I didn't mention it because I figured all of the young computer whizzes here already knew about it.

Here are my thoughts on weapon-class or placed enhancements on withdraw-type heroes: 

For a long time enhancements only activated in battle except for healing and set-aside enhancements.  This was consistent and easy to understand.  Then we got Altar of Burnt Offering.  A very cool card but now some complexity was introduced.  Initially a lot of players thought the enhancements were played on AoBO.  Once it was straightened out that the enhancement was actually played on a character in territory, lo and behold, we had enhancements other than healing or set-aside that were activating in territory.  Next up was territory-class enhancements, which also activate on a character in territory.

So here are the three possible scenarios for weapon-class or placed enhancements on a withdraw-type hero and my synopsis for each:

1) The hero withdraws, the enhancement does not activate and stays on the hero.
- This basically follows the long-time existing rule that enhancements other than healing or set-aside must activate in battle.  Consistent and easy to understand so I like it.

2) The hero withdraws, the enhancement tries to activate but since the hero is no longer in battle it fizzles.  If placed, the enhancement is discarded.  Weapon-class stays on hero. 
- This option relies on this theory: that a weapon-class or placed enhancement is considered "played" before the hero's SA completes JUST BECAUSE it's on the hero to begin with and is in battle.  This option is the least intuitive and not as consistent with the current ruleset.  I could live with it if we always played it where the enhancement becomes "detached" from the hero when they enter battle.  Of course, in that case a weapon-class would fizzle and also be discarded.

3) The hero withdraws, the enhancement activates.  Weapon-class stays on hero and placed enhancement is discarded.
- With AoBO and new territory-class enhancements, this option is also consistent, intutitive, and easy to understand with the current ruleset.  I like this option the best.


Because I am not a card designer I would caution which option to choose IF a special type of banding ability is created where a character is placed on another character.  I'm not saying an ability like this makes sense.  I'm only bringing it up since the above options would have to be reevaluated.

I've asked that before.

from a PM:

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on February 01, 2009, 03:20:41 AM

So... RR and I are having our late night evil gamebreaking combo brainstorms. 

What happens if I use say... Sword of the Lord to make an EC on EC side battle... and I play Seige?

Would all of my EC's join my side of the side battle, then after the side battle, all of my opponents heroes join my hero in the main battle?

"join the battle" refers to the singular battle you are in.  Since ECs don't band to heroes, no heroes come into battle during a EC vs EC battle.  Sorry. 

4. If you don't feel this question is worthy of a new thread specifically focused on your concern (and to be clear I do think you have a legitimate question that should be adjudicated), I am not sure what purpose you feel is being served by repeatedly bringing it up in other threads.

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