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Evil Spawn (Pi)

Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Orange • Ability: 4 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: Reveal the bottom card of draw pile. If it is an evil card, take it into hand or add it to the battle. • Play As: Reveal the bottom card of your deck. If it is an evil card, place it in your hand or band it into battle. • Identifiers: Generic NT Male Demon • Verse: John 8:44 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Common)

According to the play as you can only add a character into battle which doesn't make sense to me at all because I've seen people add enhancements with it so I don't know if the play as is wrong but with this play as you can add any colored character but can only add enhancements to hand.

This doesn't seem right to me so could someone clarify it for me.

So would it be accurate to say that you could add any EC to battle as a band, but only an enhancement if there is an EC to play the enhancement on? Meaning if you revealed a black EE but  only Spawn was in battle than the EE could not be added to battle, but if you reveled an Orange EE then you could? 

Instant Abilities > Play an Enhancement > Default Conditions
An enhancement targeted by a play an enhancement ability during the battle phase can only be played on a character that is in the current battle and is controlled by the player that controls the targeted enhancement.

Doesn't this apply? I've always been told enhancements can only be played on characters.

If it can be played, isn't it immediately discarded, as are enhancements when a character is discarded and no character is left in battle for them to remain on?

I am of the opinion that add to battle should be its own ability that is never a play ability or a band ability, but I don't think that's the current ruling; i.e. I'm fairly certain that add to battle is a band ability when it adds characters and a play ability when it adds enhancements.

That's how I understand it too, based on what stops Jacob.

Quote from: sk on July 23, 2012, 04:37:58 PM

If it can be played, isn't it immediately discarded, as are enhancements when a character is discarded and no character is left in battle for them to remain on?

I was under the impression that you could add a character to battle via Unknown Nation and still use the enhancements if the brigade matches.

That's most definitely not the case.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 24, 2012, 03:55:27 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 23, 2012, 06:51:40 PM

Quote from: sk on July 23, 2012, 04:37:58 PM

If it can be played, isn't it immediately discarded, as are enhancements when a character is discarded and no character is left in battle for them to remain on?

I was under the impression that you could add a character to battle via Unknown Nation and still use the enhancements if the brigade matches.

That's most definitely not the case.

Agree.  While I am currently having trouble finding it, I believe I've been corrected in the past with a quote from the rules that enhancements are discarded from battle if there isn't a character of matching brigade in battle.

I found this

#1 - Enhancements do not remain in battle if there is not a character of matching brigade. They are discarded with the character if no other characters of matching brigade remain in battle.

For further clarification please check out the Use Other Enhancements page in the REG.

Quote from: REG

Although the restrictions of matching brigade is relaxed for these card types, each enhancement card must still be activated on a specific character.  That character retains the enhancements while the character is in battle.  If a character is removed or withdraws before the end of the battle, the enhancements are discarded unless there is another character currently in the battle or immediately replaced in battle that can use them.  The remaining cards unused are then discarded.

From it being quoted in a more recent thread, though the Reg quote here doesn't seem exist anymore.

That REG quote was what I was referring to. The last I knew, it was still the presiding ruling. It specifically says, "or immediately replaced in battle that can use them." That seemed to indicate that you could Unknown Nation a character into battle to use them.

I believe that would be situations like Philistine Armorbearer, not Unknown Nation.  The only point that there is not a Black EC in battle is in the middle  of the ability (which leaves all enhancements in battle specifically), and the enhancements would not be discarded.  However, by the time Unknown Nation activates, the enhancements should be discarded, as it does not interrupt to add the character in before the enhancements are discarded.

That's how I read it, but I'd welcome someone pointing to other rulings that disprove it.

No. I don't know why that mistake is so common, but UN cannot retain Enhancements.

No. I don't know why that mistake is so common, but UN cannot retain Enhancements.

I already explained why it is common - the REG quote could be interpreted as allowing it.

What I meant to say is common among people who are on the boards and have already seen it explained properly multiple times.

You'll have to point out where it was "explained properly multiple times."