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Quote from: The M on December 23, 2010, 05:27:51 PM

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*Multi-color Sites are not active in territory and activate once they enter battle, but after Hero abilities are completed (if they are put into battle at the same time).

This doesn't make any sense.
This severely inhibits most if not all access sites!

No it doesn't.

I agree

That last one cannot be a rule as written. A Site would have to be in battle before the Hero.

I'm not sure I follow why. I'm not disagreeing, but merely wondering what your line of reasoning is.

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*Multi-color Sites are not active in territory and activate once they enter battle, but after Hero abilities are completed (if they are put into battle at the same time).

This doesn't make any sense.
This severely inhibits most if not all access sites!

Yeah, The Ends of the Earth and Promised Land!!!!
Sites that already give access don't need to be in battle.

Yeah, The Ends of the Earth and Promised Land!!!!
Sites that already give access don't need to be in battle.

This is where you are mistaken. Those sites have always had to be in battle to be active. This is not a rule change. You have been playing it wrong. For the record, I understand why there may have been confusion. The multicolor icon already gives access, however the intent of the SA was to limit the use of these sites (except Dragon Raid).

The original defaults were that multicolor sites were only active in battle, and that single-color sites are only active when occupied. New sites have changed those defaults, without an accompanying advertised rule change. If we are going to overhaul traditional defaults, then it needs to be shouted from the mountaintop and then posted on a billboard.

That's just John. You'll get used to him. 

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Hmm...
That is how I have played it at every tournament I've gone to and nobody has objected.
Can we have a rule update or at least an errata for TEotE , because the ability is really useless if you can only use it in battle. What is the point of only giving N.T. heroes access when you can give all your heroes access with just the site itself?
The site wouldn't be negated and you would just return it to your territory but keep the access.

Maybe it never came up, but YMT is definitely correct.
Multi-color Sites are not active in territory otherwise DragonRaid could discard evil cards from Sites without ever being placed in battle.
I'm not sure what exactly you are saying with Ends of the Earth...it's special ability gives access to all NT Heroes. If there are no NT Heroes in battle, it withdraws itself. If your opponent steals it during battle, (Danites Attack) NT Heroes still have access from the special ability.

Quote from: The M on December 24, 2010, 02:23:34 PM

Can we have a rule update or at least an errata for TEotE , because the ability is really useless if you can only use it in battle. What is the point of only giving N.T. heroes access when you can give all your heroes access with just the site itself?

The SA was intended to override the icon. You can not use TEotE to give access to anyone except NT heroes (unless the SA is somehow negated, which is not likely). We did not want to have a plethora of anytime access sites (like Dragon Raid), so the other multicolor sites have stipulations for use.

I don't think you're right. I believe they both work together. Example: RA with Jacob + Cap + Promised Land (Jacob). Opponent CMs Jacob. I should still have access, right?

Last tourny I realized Ends of the Earth was a brilliant card, so it wasn't awesome like Dragon Raid. Go ahead and look at the SA again,

I don't think you're right. I believe they both work together. Example: RA with Jacob + Cap + Promised Land (Jacob). Opponent CMs Jacob. I should still have access, right?

Of course.

Now take a slightly different scenario.

Simeon bands to Capt. using Ends of the Earth for access.
(Simeon has access via the multi-color Site AND by the special ability. Captain has access via the multi-color Site only.)
Opponent CMs Simeon.
Ends of the Earth withdraws itself.
Captain no longer has access.

Nevermind. I misread YMT's post .

When I was your age, misreading someone's post meant that you got too close to their fence with your tractor.

Wrong topic. 

so what it is still funny

Quote from: The Guardian on December 24, 2010, 03:01:37 PM

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I don't think you're right. I believe they both work together. Example: RA with Jacob + Cap + Promised Land (Jacob). Opponent CMs Jacob. I should still have access, right?

Of course.

Now take a slightly different scenario.

Simeon bands to Capt. using Ends of the Earth for access.
(Simeon has access via the multi-color Site AND by the special ability. Captain has access via the multi-color Site only.)
Opponent CMs Simeon.
Ends of the Earth withdraws itself.
Captain no longer has access.

Yeah, but Access to Sites is an ongoing ability.

That is not relevant in this case.

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Yeah, but Access to Sites is an ongoing ability.

what if they block and you play grapes and rescue again with a NT guy- does he have access?

Just bring the site back into battle.