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Goshen (P)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect contents from all effects. If your Genesis or Exodus Hero has toughness */0 or less, you may place it here instead of discarding it. • Play As: Protect contents from harm or effect. Place or return Heroes during your Preparation Phase. If your Genesis Hero or Exodus Hero has toughness */0 or less, you may place it here instead of discarding it. Goshen may hold any number of Heroes of up to three brigades. • Identifiers: Play to territory. • Verse: Exodus 9:26 • Availability: Promotional cards (2008 Local Tournament)

Kingdoms of the World (Pi)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Evil Characters here are protected from effect, and may be removed during holder’s preparation phase only. While an Evil Character is here, protect holder from being forced to block with another player’s character. • Play As: Protect contents from harm or effect. Place or return Heroes during your Preparation Phase. While an Evil Character is here, restrict opponents from using choose the blocker abilities. Kingdoms of the World may hold up to three of your Evil Characters. • Identifiers: Play to territory. • Verse: Luke 4:6 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Uncommon)

I would say these are also related, so how can these characters be targeted?

If they are "protected from effect" while inside the fortress, then are they not shuffled by ANB when the fortress is?

If they are "protected from effect" while inside the fortress, then are they not shuffled by ANB when the fortress is?

Only at Prof U's tournaments...

All kidding aside, it was ruled that the game rule that cards placed on or in other cards follow their hosts overrules the protection of KotW, Goshen, etc.

Quote from: Professoralstad on February 15, 2011, 12:54:44 PM

"Protected from effect" means, as far as I know, "cannot be targeted by any card of any alignment". The only way to "affect" a Hero inside one of those Fortresses is to discard/shuffle/negate the Fortress.

I agree that TNotL could use an updated Play As that clarifies that Heroes are not protected from the rest of it's ability (else it would be essentially useless). However, it does seem clear that the Heroes in TNotL are only protected inside the Fortress, or at the very least, for the rest of the phase in which they are released (which would always be Battle Resolution, since the release is a triggered ability that activates when you rescue an LS, and all other methods of release would have to interrupt/negate the Fortress).

Why would the protection end at the end of the phase?  I see how that would happen with Goshen/KotW (as they are only protected in fortress), but TNotL doesn't give an ending time.

Maybe it is unclear, but I've always read "Hero is protected from effect" as "Hero in the Fortress is protected from effect". That was clearly the intent, as it would be a tad overpowered, and most likely game breaking, if a Hero could become indefinitely protected from all effects.

But as we also know from pretty much every other example, errata to make cards less powerful isn't a big deal.

or at the very least, for the rest of the phase in which they are released (which would always be Battle Resolution, since the release is a triggered ability that activates when you rescue an LS, and all other methods of release would have to interrupt/negate the Fortress).

Or I could SoG/NJ some Lost Souls in any phase and get two characters out. If it really does last to the end of the phase, that would be an interesting combo. RA with a hero, SoG/NJ some LSs and get two heroes protected from everything back, band them into battle with any banding enhancement, , profit!

I'll give you that. My point was more to show that battle resolution is not the only time you could get a hero out of NotL, the banding was just frosting on the cake (a cake which seems to be a lie).

Grapes got errata so stuff like that wouldn't work.