Author Topic: Definition of "play(ed)" (Read 1128 times)

Minister Polarius · « **on:** December 20, 2010, 01:13:50 PM »

Ok, have the PTB mad any sort of headway in defining "Play(ed)?" It is very important. For example, if it means "coms from not in play to play," then I can block, play an EE that gives up initiative but does not remove an Hero, then use Golgotha to make it safe from ITB. If it just means from hand, then Nebuchadnezzar can do the same thing. What about cards returning from set-aside? If I set aside someone's defense with He Is Risen! and have Stronghold in the Desert up, will he Discard from top? If not, what happens when I band an EC in from Tartaros? Maybe this post will finally convince the PTB that yes, we *do* need a definition of "play(ed)" and we need it right now.

Korunks · « **Reply #1 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:30:39 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 20, 2010, 01:13:50 PM

Ok, have the PTB mad any sort of headway in defining "Play(ed)?" It is very important. For example, if it means "coms from not in play to play," then I can block, play an EE that gives up initiative but does not remove an Hero, then use Golgotha to make it safe from ITB. If it just means from hand, then Nebuchadnezzar can do the same thing. What about cards returning from set-aside? If I set aside someone's defense with He Is Risen! and have Stronghold in the Desert up, will he Discard from top? If not, what happens when I band an EC in from Tartaros? Maybe this post will finally convince the PTB that yes, we *do* need a definition of "play(ed)" and we need it right now.

I am probably being dense but I fail to see how Golgotha would protect you from Interrupt the Battle? Gologotha says from hand or discard pile so I don't think that you can pull from battle to protect from ITB. But as I have already conceded I may have missed something.

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Golgotha (Di)

Type: Site • Brigade: White • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Anytime during battle, you may place a skull icon card from hand or discard pile on Golgotha: N.T. characters of that brigade cannot be ignored. Return that card to its previous location at end of turn. • Identifiers: Jew • Verse: Matthew 27:33

But your other question is still valid, I have no idea how that should be ruled.

The Guardian · « **Reply #2 on:** December 20, 2010, 04:35:54 PM »

ITB interrupts "the last enhancement played" so playing Wrath of Satan, then putting an EE on Golgotha would essentially make WoS not the "last enhancement played" (the EE on Golgotha would be) and keep it from being interrupted by an ITB card.

Yes, this does need to be resolved, but it could be a little complicated to keep everything consistent.

Korunks · « **Reply #3 on:** December 20, 2010, 05:01:22 PM »

Quote from: The Guardian on December 20, 2010, 04:35:54 PM

ITB interrupts "the last enhancement played" so playing Wrath of Satan, then putting an EE on Golgotha would essentially make WoS not the "last enhancement played" (the EE on Golgotha would be) and keep it from being interrupted by an ITB card.

Yes, this does need to be resolved, but it could be a little complicated to keep everything consistent.

But ITB also interrupts any ability removing you from battle, so in that case you could still ITB and stop WoS but only because it would be causing removal of the Hero right? But I see the rub now, I hope this can be resolved neatly.

The Guardian · « **Reply #4 on:** December 20, 2010, 05:33:53 PM »

Good catch, but yes it does get somewhat messy.

Bottom line is that we need a definition, but it could be different depending on the phase of the turn and the type of card.

During draw phase, only dominants can be played so "playing" a card means putting a dominant on the table.
During upkeep phase, only dominants can be played so "playing" a card means putting a dominant on the table.
During prep phase, battle phase and discard phase is where we need to iron out what qualifies as "playing" a card. For example, we say that putting a character from your hand to territory is "playing" that character (Stronghold in the Desert) but putting an Artifact face down into your artifact pile is not considered "playing" that card.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #5 on:** December 20, 2010, 05:36:32 PM »

Another important thing to consider is cards entering battle and being placed. If I attack with a Hero holding Helmet of Brass that had RTC placed on him via a placer, which would be the first Enhancement played? Helmet, RTC, or the Enhancement I play off Helmet when blocked. Furthermore, when I place an Enhancement via a placer, has it been played? And if so, is it played again when the character enters battle? If I've set a character aside with Ambush, is he played when he gets set-aside? Comes back? Enters battle? Gets flipped up?

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #6 on:** December 25, 2010, 08:12:08 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on December 20, 2010, 05:36:32 PM

If I've set a character aside with Ambush, is he played when he gets set-aside? Comes back? Enters battle? Gets flipped up?

This is totally void if the opponent is smart and blocks with Blinding Demon.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #7 on:** December 25, 2010, 10:58:21 PM »

and we thought a combo was going to break the game...

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