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C. On my example with the red and green heroes, negates cascade. Therefore, if the ability that allowed a card to be played is negated, the card is negated as well. Another example is Coat of Many Colors. If I negate Coat, it negates everything you gained the ability to play.
#5 - Negates Cascade; Any Cards That Take Effect as the Result of a Negated Card, are Also NegatedUse Coat, play an off-color Enhancement, negate Coat, the Enhancement fizzles also.
No. JI would need to resolve before you could activate Silver Trumpets. Once JI resolves (i.e. the next enhancement is played and resolves), the battle is no longer being interrupted.
Quote from: The Guardian on February 22, 2010, 03:34:13 PMNo. JI would need to resolve before you could activate Silver Trumpets. Once JI resolves (i.e. the next enhancement is played and resolves), the battle is no longer being interrupted.But JI gives your Priest initiative, which is all Silver Trumpets needs to use its effect, so why couldn't you use it?
No. The ability to play an enhancement cannot be interrupted, even indirectly. So since the enhancements were still able to be played, and they weren't directly negated, then you keep the cards. The battle would continue with Maharai and Words vs. TFG.
Quote from: BubbleBoy on February 22, 2010, 07:23:30 PMQuote from: Ring Wraith on February 22, 2010, 05:37:41 PMQuote from: Korunks on February 22, 2010, 04:35:37 PMQuoteJacob/Captain blocked by 12FG results in Jacob v 12FG in a non-FBTN battle. FBTN cannot negate itself but it can be indirectly negated by another card.This is contrary to everything I have read and heard about FBTN, where is this documented?. I always thought that once FBTN took effect, you had to negate it with card that negated the ability. I didn't think that negating a banding ability negated the banded character's ability.It does. Negate makes it like it never happened, which means abilities that activated directly or indirectly are also negated.
Quote from: Ring Wraith on February 22, 2010, 05:37:41 PMQuote from: Korunks on February 22, 2010, 04:35:37 PMQuoteJacob/Captain blocked by 12FG results in Jacob v 12FG in a non-FBTN battle. FBTN cannot negate itself but it can be indirectly negated by another card.This is contrary to everything I have read and heard about FBTN, where is this documented?. I always thought that once FBTN took effect, you had to negate it with card that negated the ability. I didn't think that negating a banding ability negated the banded character's ability.
Quote from: Korunks on February 22, 2010, 04:35:37 PMQuoteJacob/Captain blocked by 12FG results in Jacob v 12FG in a non-FBTN battle. FBTN cannot negate itself but it can be indirectly negated by another card.This is contrary to everything I have read and heard about FBTN, where is this documented?. I always thought that once FBTN took effect, you had to negate it with card that negated the ability.
QuoteJacob/Captain blocked by 12FG results in Jacob v 12FG in a non-FBTN battle. FBTN cannot negate itself but it can be indirectly negated by another card.This is contrary to everything I have read and heard about FBTN, where is this documented?
Jacob/Captain blocked by 12FG results in Jacob v 12FG in a non-FBTN battle. FBTN cannot negate itself but it can be indirectly negated by another card.
Quote from: Professoralstad on February 22, 2010, 06:50:58 PMNo. The ability to play an enhancement cannot be interrupted, even indirectly. So since the enhancements were still able to be played, and they weren't directly negated, then you keep the cards. The battle would continue with Maharai and Words vs. TFG.I understand that you cannot negate the ability to play the next enhancement on Ethopian Treasurer, but you can negate the ability ON the card you play as a result. Hence, you negate the ability to draw a card. I believe the cards you drew all go back to the deck in the order they were drawn. Right?Mike
Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on February 22, 2010, 07:28:40 PMQuote from: BubbleBoy on February 22, 2010, 07:23:30 PMQuote from: Ring Wraith on February 22, 2010, 05:37:41 PMQuote from: Korunks on February 22, 2010, 04:35:37 PMQuoteJacob/Captain blocked by 12FG results in Jacob v 12FG in a non-FBTN battle. FBTN cannot negate itself but it can be indirectly negated by another card.This is contrary to everything I have read and heard about FBTN, where is this documented?. I always thought that once FBTN took effect, you had to negate it with card that negated the ability. I didn't think that negating a banding ability negated the banded character's ability.It does. Negate makes it like it never happened, which means abilities that activated directly or indirectly are also negated.I just realized that if this is this case, my original scenario does create an infinite loop. However, the rule is that in cases like this, FbtN sticks?BTW, I am now beginning to question everything I thought I knew about Redemption.
5 lost souls still wins the game, right?
Quote from: Ring Wraith on February 23, 2010, 03:18:04 PM5 lost souls still wins the game, right?Unfortunately, yes. At least in T1...
Not unless the enhancement was negated.
You had mentioned a CBN banding hero having the band negated. That is not possible.
Quote from: YourMathTeacher on March 02, 2010, 07:12:00 PMYou had mentioned a CBN banding hero having the band negated. That is not possible.No, I mentioned a CBN banded hero fizzling if the band is negated.I guess after learning that Jacob + Captain + TFG = no FbtN, I'm just questioning the whole system. Does "fizzling" take priority over CBN?
