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Can Simon the Zealot protect things from being shuffled into my deck by my opponents by something such as A New Beginning?
Simon : protect your hand and deck from opponents’ cards while this hero remains in play
ANB: all players shuffle all things...

this might be stretching it a little but if Simon is shuffled first would the hand no longer be protected? or is everything shuffled at the same time with ANB (haven't read the errata recently).

this might be stretching it a little but if Simon is shuffled first would the hand no longer pr protected? or is everything shuffled at the same time with ANB (haven't read the errata recently).

IIRC, if a card is removed from play without its ability being negated, its ability remains active for the rest of the phase.  So, since all of ANB's shuffling happens before the rescuing player starts a new turn, Simon's ability remains in effect during all of the shuffling.

Quote from: tripleplayNa1 on November 19, 2017, 07:36:20 PM

this might be stretching it a little but if Simon is shuffled first would the hand no longer pr protected? or is everything shuffled at the same time with ANB (haven't read the errata recently).

IIRC, if a card is removed from play without its ability being negated, its ability remains active for the rest of the phase.  So, since all of ANB's shuffling happens before the rescuing player starts a new turn, Simon's ability remains in effect during all of the shuffling.

However due to the way Simon is worded "while this hero remains in play" if the case was that he was removed from play first before the hand was targeted it would not protect the hand anymore.

However due to the way Simon is worded "while this hero remains in play" if the case was that he was removed from play first before the hand was targeted it would not protect the hand anymore.

Alright, let's dive in then.  ANB's full ability:

ALL players shuffle ALL cards in the field of play, set-aside areas and their hands (except this one) back into their draw pile.  Only cards in Land of Redemption and Discard piles remain.  ALL players Draw 8 new cards.  Holder may begin a new turn.

As noted by Gabe, all targets are chosen simultaneously.  Since Simon is in play at that time, the hand is protected from being shuffled.  Now, in response to The Guardian's statement:

However, if your deck is also protected, then you are also protected from a forced draw...

There is a period between the shuffle and the draw.  Simon is at that point out of play.  I would thus conclude that he does protect the hand from ANB's shuffle, but does not protect the deck from ANB's draw.