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Other games would just ban it.  I'm glad Rob prefers to let the players have some fun with it without abusing it.

The combo is ingenious and unique, but it's definitely way past over powered once set up. I support the PTB in their errata, because it's definitely better than banning the card.
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Type I is for babies and Type II is for the Big Boys and Girls.

Please calm down and grow up, there's no need for name calling or rash judgments. This is 1) JUST a card game and 2) a CHRISTIAN card game. Show some brotherly love, please? It's one thing to talk about the types themselves as being less/more challenging/boring or whatever, but insulting players is rude and vastly uncalled for.

Here is an attempt to the wording for the errata:

If making a rescue attempt, remove this card from the game to return ALL player's cards in the field of play, set-aside areas and hands into each player's draw pile.  Only cards in Land of Redemption and discard piles remain.  ALL players draw 8 new cards.  Holder may begin a new turn. [Note: The new turn begins when the new hands are drawn.]

If there are better ways of saying this, please contribute a modified version. I noticed someone thought the existing errata in the REG was confusing. If so, help me out!

Mike

Change "return" to "shuffle" and I think you've got it.

That doesn't make sense to me.  Green has several cards that use "shuffle" as the way in which they target a card.  Plague of Frogs, David's Music, Two Bears, Nathan, ANB, and probably one or two more.  It seems to me that "shuffle" is an ability just like "return" or "capture."

In addition, if "shuffle" isn't an ability then what do House of Rimmon and the Thorns LS protect from?

I did not mean to imply anything has been changed. Shuffle still means shuffle. All I am saying is that return is an equally valid word that does the same thing. Return is a more general term, of which shuffle is a subset.

"Play as" is a construct used in the REG to take a variety of ways of saying the same thing and using one word instead.

Mike

"Play as" used to restate what was unclear. I hope to expand "play as" to include a shorter list of key words. Since the REG defines what keywords mean and do, it makes sense to use those keywords. It will not change the way any cards are played, but will use a more consistent and shorter list of keywords. There is nothing wrong with shuffle, but return can be used in a more general sense. For example, you return captured Heroes to territory, to hand. You can't miss noticing that different words and phrases that mean the same thing have been used over the years. I am trying to say all those things in one consistent and more current manner.

I think this will be clearer when the updated REG is rolled out early next year.

Mike

Return is not a new word. It is a more general word.

Mike

It could be confusing to new players though... if they see that a card protects from shuffle, and play a card that says "return," thinking the two are different. I've never been a fan of generalized terms, since they start to become a little unclear at times.

I respect any desicion you guys make, but this is just my personal view on the matter.  

Obligatory on topic piece: If you are going to have ANB remove itself from the game, could we get rid of the rescue attempt requirement from the errata? That way all the fANBoys (and fanmen) can claim a partial victory.

Quote from: EmJayBee83 on December 02, 2009, 04:56:21 PM

Crusty, we hope to see you for the third annual MN Type II Only tournament*.  We may even play Type II Sealed Deck or Type II Teams the night prior.

If my count is correct 2010 will be the 5th annual MN Type II Extravaganza not the third.

Isn't it going to be the fourth?  The third was a (teeny-tiny) joke on my part, because I missed the first one so I to refuse to recognize it's existence. Hopefully crustpope will travel from Ohio to steal your coveted long distance travel crown.

I think Type II Booster Draft would be more interesting than Type II Sealed.  Draft 4 Tins then build a type 2 deck out of it.

I don't know.  The best part of T2 is the tactical element, a great deal of which is lost with the inherent randomness of booster.  Moses v. The Egyptians, however, would completely rock as a T2 starting point.

The combo is ingenious and unique, but it's definitely way past over powered once set up.

That sentance could be applied to any combo such as SitC, Besieging the City, or this ANB recursion.  The key is to look for the clues as to what deck it is and then defend against it accordingly.  Frankly I would LOVE to play against this deck.  The first time it comboed off against me I would be in AWE, and the next time I played it, I would be able to defend against it knowing that it depended on GOH and ANB recursion.  There are so many ways to attack this deck that it would soon become a footnote in redemption lore...but now no one will be able to build a defense to it because it has already been errattaed.

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Quote from: crustpope on December 02, 2009, 04:18:23 PM

Type I is for babies and Type II is for the Big Boys and Girls.

Please calm down and grow up, there's no need for name calling or rash judgments. This is 1) JUST a card game and 2) a CHRISTIAN card game. Show some brotherly love, please? It's one thing to talk about the types themselves as being less/more challenging/boring or whatever, but insulting players is rude and vastly uncalled for.

I am 99.5% sure the bread man was just using sarcasm, just without smileys....I have NEVER heard him degrade any player based on playstyle or anything else...

That is to say except Brad.    I degrade him all the time, but I only do it because I care...His ego gets to big sometimes and I have to drag him down a bit 

Mr. Ethecist is correct here.  I was merely taking a playful shot at those of you who play type I religioiusly.  I used to be one of you, but now I have converted to the dark side   You should come too, we have cookies and t-shirts 


My big problem with this is that when someone comes up with a combo, it seems that the immediate reaction to it by the PTB is to figure out a way to errata a card to make it "un-broken" some of the eratta's I agree with  (such as SitC) but others (like ANB) I think are a bit premature.  I understand that this may be more because ANB has been a thorn in the Playtesters side for many years now, but hey, that is what they get paid the big bucks for right?

I would just rather see a more hands off approach to how to handle these "broken" decks.  Let seasoned type II players try to crack it open before we rush back to the drawing board to prevent the sky from crashing down around us...

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that is what they get paid the big bucks for right?

Pretty sure they lose money being play-testers.

well, sign me up to lose money then, because I would LOVE to be a playtester!

Hopefully crustpope will travel from Ohio to steal your coveted long distance travel crown.

Unless I get the crazy idea of using the air miles I have added from our honeymoon and conference travels and come up from the East Coast....but first I'll have to hear if Minnesota gets Nationals...one can only go that far North very sparingly and still remain sane

Quote from: Sean on December 02, 2009, 11:29:48 PM

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that is what they get paid the big bucks for right?

Pretty sure they lose money being play-testers.

well, sign me up to lose money then, because I would LOVE to be a playtester!

Me, too