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Rob wrote:

"If making a rescue attempt, remove this card from the game to shuffle all cards..."

I am fine with the above proposed errata.

The playtesters are in agreement.

It's official. 

I think that makes this the complete ability:
"If making a rescue attempt, remove this card from the game to shuffle all cards in play, set aside areas, and hands into decks.  All players draw 8.  Begin a new turn."

dying to find out what it was

Since "all" isn't capitalized there, does it REALLY mean "all" now?

LOL.  Nice.

I think this is a good errata.  It not only stops RDT's combo from breaking the game, but also stops simple recursion in a normal deck from reusing ANB too many times.  I never liked spending that much of limited time for a game in a tournament just shuffling cards.

I think we should also add, "No player may use this card to break the game," as an identifier.

On a slightly positive note, this did happen in time before I pulled the trigger on a trade netting me more green cards.   

 

Oh well, maybe we can errata all the return to hand cards in the same way to counter combo decks and get rid of the silly maximum hand count that has been imposed.

Couldn't it before?  It never specifies End the Battle, and the Sampson's Sac ruling makes it seem the blocker could negate it if ANB was playing while an EC is in battle.


This was the errata before:

If making a rescue attempt, ALL players shuffle ALL cards in the field of play, set-aside areas and their hands back into their draw pile. Only cards in Land of Redemption and discard piles remain. ALL players draw 8 new cards. Holder may begin a new turn. [Note: The new turn begins when the new hands are drawn.]

Also, the old errata didn't specify that ANB is discarded.  Was it shuffled too?  The REG errata is confusing me...

I have a HUGE problem with this and I think this Erratta is unessecary and ridiculous.  First of all the combo is nearly impossible to pull off in type I and in type II that is the nature of the game (make some combo that decimates an opponent) that is why Type I is for babies and Type II is for the Big Boys and Girls.

All Seriousness, are we going to just start erratting cards everytime someone creates a combo that does something devastating like this?  SITC was around for over 2 years before Gabe won Nats with it, but for those who have been playing SITC decks, we know that they are relatively fragile.  Same with this Deck.  There a multiple ways to wreck this deck and the erratta on ANB is unecessary, and frankly makes Type II more boring.  I say let them play and when you get beat by this deck then you will learn how to beat it.  If someone is smart enough to make the combo, I say let them play it and let other people play at their own risk.

Besides I have been playing against a deck that does this exact thing for over a year now and I have had my entire deck d/c'ed nearly a dozen times in official tournaments on a combo simpler than this and NO ONE has bothered to do anything about it simply because none of the PTB have seen it.  It sets up quicker and is much more difficult to defeat because it has multiple avenues to acomplish the same goal.  It can D/C your deck on Offense or on Defense.

The fact that everyone is wringing their hands over this ANB deck is insane.  I guess all you have to do is WOW and razzle dazzle one of the PTB wiht a fancy deck and averyone thinks the sky is falling. 

I really dont know whether to laugh or cry.

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I really dont know whether to laugh or cry.

Tissue-user here.

yeah.  poor me.  I keep trying to beat this deck and keep getting beaten with it.  If it hasnt been outlawed by the Huge Minnesota Type II tournament, I plan on bringing it up there and beating everyone with it.

Quote from: crustpope on December 02, 2009, 04:44:10 PM

yeah.  poor me.  I keep trying to beat this deck and keep getting beaten with it.  If it hasnt been outlawed by the Huge Minnesota Type II tournament, I plan on bringing it up there and beating everyone with it.

I have just one word for that--"Bring It!"

Yeah, you may think that that is two words, but Count Fount and the KC Gang will back me up.

Crusty, we hope to see you for the third annual MN Type II Only tournament*.  We may even play Type II Sealed Deck or Type II Teams the night prior.

*Official motto:  Six rounds--because we have to.

Yeah, see, that is the kind of type II culture I am trying to cultivate here in Ohio...I can see already that I have fellow type II kinsman in Minnesota.

I dunno about Type II sealed.  It seems like it would be boring just shoving two starter decks together and playing...

Hmm..That sounds a bit more interesting....

If you can take a legal 75 minute turn that allows you to shuffle all the decks in the game 50 times and takes all the cards out of your opponent's deck and give him nothing to do for that 75 minutes but watch you play solitaire, then something is wrong.

The point of the game is fun and fellowship.  Watching helplessly during a 75 minute solitaire turn is not fun.  Nor does it promote much fellowship.

For what it is worth, A New Beginning has been responsible for a LOT of complaints over the last few years, especially in Type 2.  The fact that it can be recurred and used umpteen times makes players groan.  Other games would just ban it.  I'm glad Rob prefers to let the players have some fun with it without abusing it.