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First off, I would just like to say thank you to whomever would like to answer these questions fully.
I realize that there are many questions but I do appreciate all descriptive answers.
I tried to organize it the best I can along with posting the relevant abilities.
Thanks again!

1.) If you rescue the 2 liner  and have 4 lost souls already would you have 6 lost souls score in a tournament?
a.) Would sog + nj with 4 lost souls account for 6 lost souls score in a tourney?

3.) when does an enhancement go to his discard pile in battle, when you first play it or at the end of the battle... when?
a.) can you play an enhancement then return to it to hand and play it again assuming you have intiative in the same battle?

4.) If habbukuk becomes defeated in a battle, do you still a discard weapon class evil character?
Habakkuk (TP)

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Green • Ability: 6 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate all protect abilities on evil cards. After this battle, you may discard a warrior class Evil Character. Cannot be negated. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Prophet • Verse: Habakkuk 3:1-2 • Availability: Thesaurus ex Preteritus booster packs ()

5.) Does the term "turn" include your opponents and does it have to be a full turn to count?

6.) If you are playing a weapon class enhancement during battle on a weapon class character, does the character retain the weapon after the battle?

7.) If you use a heros ability to play the next enhancement before a blocker is present and choose to play an enhancement that allows you to discard all evil characters in battle, could you use a covenant that is active to negate the enhancement?
a.) If you could and the artifact (covenant) is discarded after one use, could any negate it?

8.) If you do a rescue attempt with samson and play philosophy, is it worth double because of samson's ability?

Samson (P)

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Yellow • Ability: 12 / 6 • Class: None • Special Ability: All good gold enhancements without special abilities double in value unless a female Evil Character is in battle. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Judge, Fought Earthly Battle • Verse: Judges 14:5-6 • Availability: Promotional cards (2002 Local Tournament)

Philosophy (evil) (P)

Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: 2 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: None • Identifiers: None • Verse: Proverbs 1:29, 32 • Availability: Promotional cards (2003 Cactus Order)

a.) Ethiopian Treasurer can search for philosophy?

Ethiopian Treasurer (Ap)

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 5 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Search own draw pile or discard pile for one Bible icon with no special abilities. Holder may play the next enhancement card. • Play As: Search your deck or discard pile for one Bible icon with no special abilities and return it in hand. Holder may play an enhancement. • Identifiers: NT Male Human • Verse: Acts 8:27 • Availability: Apostles booster packs (Uncommon)

9.) The ability "place" can it be negated?
a.) what if you play set fire against king of tyrus, does the set fire still go to their territory?
b.) if it does when will it activate as normal?

1.) No. There is a rule you cannot go above five in Type One
a.) No, for the same reasoning.

3.) The end of the battle, unless an ability discards it.
a.) Yes.

4.) I'm too lazy to look up the specific wording.

5.) It depends on the situation. I don't fully understand it either....

6.) Yes

7.) If you're referring to covenant of Noah, yes.
a.) Not that I'm aware of, as you can't target it in the discard.

8.) Yes.
a.) Yes.

9.) Yes.
a.) No.
b.) It doesn't.

10.) It is only active in battle.

11.) Yes.

12.) Yes

13.) One

14.) You are left with a 1/1 and a -1/-1 hero in battle, and a 1/1 hero in territory, with the last one being discarded. (I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THIS)

15.) It resets in the discard. Treat it as you would if it were in the deck.

16.) I don't believe so, but I'm not sure.

17.) Put the three cards back.

3a) - This is a no, once an enhancement has been played it sticks to the table.

4.) Yes, unless his ability was negated.

5.) This one is actually on a case by case basis depending on the cards and situations - For instance - Benedictus says turn, and lasts until the end of yours, First Fruits says set aside for one turn, and has to go through your opponents. As a general rule 'Turn' means one of yours. Some 'Turns' occur on outdated cards and actually mean 'Round'

14) Rawrl is almost spot on with this one, the -1/-1 hero in territory actually survives there until the end of battle at which point both it and the -1/-1 from battle are discarded.

16) As a general rule cards cannot be unplayed - However, in a situation where multiple people drop dominants at the same time, the player who's dominant isn't given priority is generally allowed to pick it back up.

3.A: You can return it and play it again since it's not Discarded until the end of the phase. This is the backbone behind extreme speed T2 offenses (now neutered to near-extinction).

3a) - This is a no, once an enhancement has been played it sticks to the table.

4.) Yes, unless his ability was negated.

5.) This one is actually on a case by case basis depending on the cards and situations - For instance - Benedictus says turn, and lasts until the end of yours, First Fruits says set aside for one turn, and has to go through your opponents. As a general rule 'Turn' means one of yours. Some 'Turns' occur on outdated cards and actually mean 'Round'

14) Rawrl is almost spot on with this one, the -1/-1 hero in territory actually survives there until the end of battle at which point both it and the -1/-1 from battle are discarded.

16) As a general rule cards cannot be unplayed - However, in a situation where multiple people drop dominants at the same time, the player who's dominant isn't given priority is generally allowed to pick it back up.

Thank you for clearing that up dragon! Much appreciated. If an Elder/Playtester would also honor me with a response it would be well received. According to one of the posts, I have to have an elder confirm or disagree with my questions. Once again thanks again everyone!

For #3a, I feel I should revise my current question to state:

Your opponent rescues with a 12/12 and you present a 1/1 black brigade blocker, you use philosophy then pride of simon to return Philosophy from your discard pile and attempt to play it again. Would that work?

Pride of Simon (G)

Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 2 / 4 • Class: none • Special Ability: If used by a human evil character, search discard pile for a black brigade enhancement and play it. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Acts 8:18 • Availability: G Deck

Nice try But I came up with some mean stuff a few years back that resulted in a rule that says MChange doesn't return anything until all the Evil dudes in battle are dead.

Revised 3a - No, since Philosiphy doesn't get discarded until the end of battle - Now, if in theory you played an enhancement, and the opponent played something to discard it (Like Aarons' Rod) you could use Pride of Simon to return it.


Also, in regards to your Elder comment spicy, for simple informative type ruling questions like this you can usually take a REP (Real Experienced Player) like Lambo or Pol's word as solid. Elder's generally step in for the finer ruling debates. However, I'll give Prof U a nudge this direction if it would make you feel better.

As a further response to the elder comment, the rule of thumb for needing an elder comes in when experienced players are disagreeing over nuances. When there are questions from a new player/playgroup, you can pretty much take a consensus to the bank.

Why? Is says evil character, not evil characters.... ;_;.

This was actually decided way back at Nats 2004. Justin had a version of the devastator deck that got around the one side battle per turn rule by having his Messenger of Satan and a Pharisee or Ahithophel vs. some random big EC, playing MoChange, False Peace's, Confusions, etc. Then he would capture his own Pharisee with Syrian Victory causing him to lose, getting his enhancements back (so he thought) then he would band in another pharisee, rinse and repeat. It was ruled that an EC doesn't lose unless all EC's on his side of the battle are taken care of.

As to the other questions, Rawr, RDT, and MPol are correct. They are also correct in saying that an elder really isn't necessary, but here I am anyway. I will not offer any greater detail than those that have posted before me, but if you have further questions, feel free to ask them.

for simple informative type ruling questions like this you can usually take a REP (Real Experienced Player) like Lambo or Pol's word as solid.

the rule of thumb for needing an elder comes in when experienced players are disagreeing over nuances. When there are questions from a new player/playgroup, you can pretty much take a consensus to the bank.

with both of these guys

17.) I rescue with Ethiopian Treasurer and use his play the next enhancement ability to then play Reach of desperation, I draw three cards and opt to not play the next enhancement. My opponent then presents king of tyrus as a blocker. What happens now?

King of Tyrus (Pi)

Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Orange • Ability: 10 / 12 • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate all special abilities on Characters and Enhancements (except this special ability). • Identifiers: OT Male Demon, King • Verse: Ezekiel 28:12 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Ultra Rare)

Reach of Desperation (H)

Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 4 / 3 • Class: none • Special Ability: You may interrupt the battle, draw three cards, and play the next enhancement. • Play As: You may interrupt the battle, draw 3 and play an enhancement. • Identifiers: None • Verse: Mark 5:27 • Availability: H Deck

Ok, so I put the three cards back but that is only part of the answer. What happens to E.T.'s ability and reach of desperation has CbI (because it has play the next enhancement)? Does Reach of Desperation remain in battle? do I get the number bonus? does Reach of desperation go back to my hand? Could someone please be a bit more descriptive please

only the playing of an enhancement CBI.

The ability on reach is negated, so the 3 cards go back.

I would assume you don't get the number bonus then. What happens when reach is negated, does it remain in battle or go back to my hand, since E.T. allowed me to play and that is negated as well...

The Enhancement stays.  The general rule is that you can "un-do" an effect but you cannot "un-play" a card.

Alright, thanks alot!