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Set Fire can discard Dust and Ashes and Kerith Ravine (yep. It says in play or set-aside). D&A used to protect itself from harm during playtesting, but that was removed, much to my dismay. TNotL protects itself from discard and is CBN, so I'm fairly certain there will never be a card that can target it (which is good, because, cmon. It's The Name of the Lord). Chamber of Angels is untargetable except by PotA, but let's be honest. Silver needs it to stay afloat in the viability race against other brigades/themes. and Fishing Boat is annoying, but even though you can't sink the boat, you can still use Darius' Decree to discard all of the Disciples.

So while I don't oppose the idea of more targeting cards for good set-aside Fortresses, I don't think it's all that necessary either.

traded protection.

Because cards/combos that are protected from EVERYTHING are not good for the game.

Most of the time I would agree, but c'mon, we're talking about Job here.

Because cards/combos that are protected from EVERYTHING are not good for the game.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

Ummmm...... What about TGT? I'm sure that being protected from blocks is not good for the game either...

Sorry to just now see this, but I was wondering something.  I know its hard to affect the fortresses themselves, but are the characters inside them also protected from cards like Darius' Decree? 

Thanks!

The Name of the Lord, and Kerith Ravine protect the Heroes there from effect, so DD couldn't hurt them.
Dust and Ashes doesn't protect Job, but if you use your DD while he is there, he would be harmed, and is sent back there.
Fishing Boat leaves the Disciples there completely unprotected. DD would discard them all.

Quote from: stefferweffer on September 20, 2010, 12:44:01 PM

Sorry to just now see this, but I was wondering something.  I know its hard to affect the fortresses themselves, but are the characters inside them also protected from cards like Darius' Decree? 

Thanks!

The Name of the Lord, and Kerith Ravine protect the Heroes there from effect, so DD couldn't hurt them.
Dust and Ashes doesn't protect Job, but if you use your DD while he is there, he would be harmed, and is sent back there.
Fishing Boat leaves the Disciples there completely unprotected. DD would discard them all.

Thanks.  Would cards like DD discard the angels in Chamber of Angels also?

Apart from Prince of the Air hitting Chamber by name, New Testament set-aside Fortresses are currently unable to be targeted by any card in the game, as far as I know.
Old Testament set-aside Fortresses can only be targeted by Set Fire, a card that allows the player to choose what card he discards, and he can go through a lot of other options before potentially having to hit Dust and Ashes.  I don't see any more meaningful protection you can have than that: only one card that can hit you and that gives you lots of options to delay it and thwart it before it hits D&A.

I'm curious to know what cards are supposed to hit The Gates.  I think I'm missing something in this discussion.

My Lord and My God (Di)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Purple • Ability: 2 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: If used by a disciple, negate and discard an evil card in play or set-aside area. • Identifiers: None • Verse: John 20:28 • Availability: Disciples booster packs

That would be what hits gates.

Okay, so there's one card that can hit a NT evil Fort, if used by a small handful of Heroes, and unless negated.

One card each sounds fair to me, for targeting set-aside Fortresses.

if used by the offense that will be most used this year. and unless not played on Thomas.

Most only suggests plurality, not majority.  If disciples are used in 10% of decks, and there are 10 or 12 other offenses with no more than say 8% of the share, disciples are used most, but 90% of decks still wouldn't have them.

99% of decks in MN won't use Gates. the other 1% will be combo decks.

Hey,

In other words, a low-percentage stop against a low-precentage card means that the fact that this card is nearly indestructible isn't all that big of a deal.

It's a big deal in theory/principle.  It's not necessarily a big deal in practice.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly