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As a new player to the "Official" Rules of Redemption, I have a question concerning Deck building, Primarily Type 1, so I can make a Tournament-Official Deck. In the 3rd Edition Rulebook, it says this:

Maximum of 1 of each in a deck:
Multi-colored enhancement, Hero, or Evil Character
Dominant (lamb icon or grim reaper icon card)

Now, does this mean I can have only ONE Dominant per deck? And ONE Multicolored Card? Or does it mean no duplicate Dominants and Multicolors? And if it means just 1 Domimant per deck, how would New Jerusalem work? But if its more than 1 Dominant per deck, why shouldn't I add 20 Dominants and make my deck unstoppable? Thanks for your help.

Here is the most recent rulebook, which comes in the I/J decks.

Here is the part you need:

Maximum of 1 of each in a deck:
•    Multi-colored enhancement, Hero, or Evil Character
•    Dominant (1 Son of God, 1 Angel of the Lord, etc.)
Maximum of 1 of each per 50 cards in a deck:
•    Card that has a special ability (printed in the text above the Scripture). Example: A fifty-six (56) card deck may contain only one Gideon’s Call, one Samson’s Strength, etc. A onehundred (100) card deck may contain no more than two Gideon’s Call, two Samson’s Strength cards, etc. A one-hundred fifty (150) card deck may contain no more than three of any individual special ability card.
Maximum of 3 of each in a deck:
•    Single-colored Heroes, Evil Characters and enhancements that do not have a special ability.
Card Type Caps:
•    The number of sites may not exceed the number of Lost Souls in a deck.
•    The number of dominant cards (good dominants and evil dominants combined) may not exceed the number of Lost Souls in a deck.
Defining Duplicate Cards:
• Same Title + Same Art = Same Card.
Cards with the same title and same art are considered duplicates. For example, Saph (black brigade) and Saph (gray brigade) are duplicates. Since they have special abilities, you are allowed only
1 Saph in a deck of fewer than 100 cards.
• Same Title + Same Brigade = Same Card (except generic characters with different art).
Cards with the same title and same brigade are considered duplicates. For example, John (purple brigade, deck J) and John (purple brigade, deck H), and John (purple brigade, promo) are  duplicates. Since they have special abilities, you are allowed only 1 John in a deck of fewer than 100 cards. The only exception to this rule is generic characters with different art. For example, you can have 4 different versions of Sadducees in your deck, since they are generic characters with different art.
• Different Art + Different Brigade = Different Card.
Cards that have the same title are not considered duplicates for deck building if their art and brigade are different. For example, you can have one Peter (purple brigade) and one Peter (red brigade) in your deck. However, since Peter is a unique character, you can only have one in play at a time.

As a new player to the "Official" Rules of Redemption

Well, you came to the right place, welcome

Thank you everyone for your help! I am hoping to make a Type 1 Deck and attend Travis Brown's District Tournament on September 26th. Anything I should know? I have never attended a card game Tournament of any kind, but I know the basics on how it works.

My advice for playing in your first tournament ...

1) Stick to what you know.

If you know the basics, stick to them. Don't worry about outlandish combos and such. Play it straight and forward.

2) Know your deck.

Run practice drills with your deck. Check to see how fast you can get your crucial cards. If you're above 56 cards, try to find out where you can slim the deck down without hindering yourself. 

3) Most important of all: It's a game!!! Have fun!!

Don't worry about winning. Winning is good, but don't forget to have fun. If you win, hallelujah!! Just make sure you have fun in the mean time.

Jesusman

My advice for playing in your first tournament ...

...Run practice drills with your deck. Check to see how fast you can get your crucial cards. If you're above 56 cards, try to find out where you can slim the deck down without hindering yourself. 

Whoa. You, sir, have obviously never played turtle decks. Big decks can be hideously difficult to beat. However, at the beginning stage, yes, it is good to keep your deck small. But don't be afraid to make them bigger as time goes on![/quote]

Even with the threat of turtles lurking, it is usually best to be slim and not have cards that are more likely to be 'dead' in your hand; this also gets you to your best cards faster.

My advice for deck-building is to put in the cards you feel the need to use, and play a few games.  You know those cards you always look at and say "well I didn't get to use that" or "that never helped me"?  Those are the ones you cut down as you go, and you'll find that what looks good on paper just sits in your hand or territory and never affects the game.  Cutting it makes it so you draw something useful instead when you need it.

Whoa. You, sir, have obviously never played turtle decks. Big decks can be hideously difficult to beat. However, at the beginning stage, yes, it is good to keep your deck small. But don't be afraid to make them bigger as time goes on!

Have I played against them? once or twice. I think it was Gabe who brought a 150+ card T1 deck to the last nationals I attended a few years back in Pennsylvania. I had a chance to play against him in a T1 multiplayer. I held my own for a while, but ultimately decked out, if memory serves. Have I played those types of decks? No. However, I do like playing decks with a few more cards than 56. Actually, I like to keep my decks at 70 or less. For someone just starting, I think its best to keep the deck at about 56 to help get the feel of the game down.

Jesusman

Quote from: Jesusman on June 22, 2015, 12:51:21 AM

I think it was Gabe who brought a 150+ card T1 deck to the last nationals I attended a few years back in Pennsylvania.

I very much doubt that, unless you are referring to a different Gabe than the guy here on the forums. I think the last time Nats was in PA was in 2003. Gabe started playing in ~2006. And it is probably less likely that Gabe would bring a 150 card deck to a tournament than he would attend a tournament for a game he has never played...

Jordan has his facts right. I started in 2006. I haven't ever built a deck that large, even for T2. There are other Gabes though. I know of two that have played Redemption in the past. It was probably one of them.

I bet it was my old buddy Kevin Shride. He played around that time and went to PA Nats. He used to play a ~150 deck he called "The Monster".

Mystery solved! 😀

Quote from: kram1138 on June 21, 2015, 11:18:22 PM

I thought that once you decked out, you shuffled your discard pile back into your draw pile. Don't ask me why I thought that, but I did.

So what DO you do? I have never had my deck run out before. I usually play casual games with a BIG deck, so I haven't ever had the chance to deck out..

Just keep playing.  You won't be able to draw any more cards, so you'll basically be stuck with whatever's in your hand and in play for the rest of the game, but nothing else changes.

Okay thanks! A couple more things,

#1. How many evil characters can I use to block a rescue attempt, WITHOUT banding? 1? And does the evil characters I block with have to come from my Hand? Or can I use one from my territory?  (In my "Unofficial" version of the game, you could block a rescue attempt with as much Evil Characters as you wanted, one at a time. Like Defeat one Evil Character, then present another)

#2. Duplicates. I have 2 IDENTICAL Gold Brigade "Panic Demon", and 1 Crimson Brigade "Panic Demon". The Special Ability on all of them is "May Band to Panic Demon". But the Redemption Rulebook says No Duplicates. Does this mean I can't bring more than 1?

#3. How Many Artifacts per Deck? And how many can be activated at once?

Thanks guys so much for your help! That should be all my questions.

1: After the rescuing hero is presented and it's special ability activates, you have the opportunity to present one evil character. After this, evil characters may join battle only by other special abilities.

2: How many you can have in your deck depends on whether you play T1 or T2, and the number of cards in your deck. Since you're new, I'd assume you're playing T1. In this case you can have one of each generic or unique character per 50 cards in your deck. Also, you can only have one of any unique character in play at the same time, but as many generic characters as you'd like.
EDIT: Since Gold and Crimson Panic Demon are not duplicate cards (as defined in the rulebook), you may have one of each pee 50 cards.

3: One of each artifact per 50 cards in deck for T1, and one artifact active at a time.

Alright thanks again guys! If I have any other questions, or I slip up in the Tournament, they (The Staff there) will help out, right? I know its not a big deal, but I'm really nervous I'll make a mistake.

3. Excepting Book of the Covenant, you can have only one artifact active on your artifact pile at a time, but there are other places you can place active artifacts if you know where/what/who to look at...