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A Complicated Protection with Banding Question
« on: July 04, 2016, 07:25:38 PM »
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Let's say I have Saint of Virtue, 8/2, holding the Breastplate of Righteousness, which protects him from Gray and Brown. He's blocked by The Terrifying Beast, 11/12, a Gray/Orange Demon. The battle is currently a stalemate, and Beast was the last card played in battle, so Saint has initiative. He plays Entertaining Angels, interrupting the battle and adding any number of Angels to battle. Let's say he adds Attending Angel, 6/6. The rescuers are at 14/8, and the blocker is at 11/12. Let us say that the battle ends here.

What is the battle situation? Obviously, The Beast is being defeated by numbers, but what about the rescuers? The Beast's Strength is higher than their collective toughness; however, Saint is immune to The Beast while Angel is not. Is it mutual destruction even though Saint would survive? Or is The Beast just losing? Either way, will Attending Angel survive the battle?
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Re: A Complicated Protection with Banding Question
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2016, 08:26:26 PM »
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Quote from: REG 3.1.0 > Immune and Protect > Special Conditions
When there are more than two characters in a battle that are affected by immune and/or protect abilities, you must follow a different process to determine the state of the battle and what characters in battle are being defeated. That process is defined as follows:
○ Each character in battle that is not immune to or protected from any opposing characters in battle is being defeated if the total strength of all characters on the opponent's side of battle is greater than or equal to the total toughness of all of the characters on its side of battle.
○ Each character in battle that is immune to or protected from at least one opposing character in battle is being defeated only if the total strength of the characters that it is not immune to or protected from on the opponent's side of battle is greater than or equal to the total toughness of all of the characters on its side of battle.
○ If all heroes in battle and all evil characters in battle are being defeated, then the battle is in the mutual destruction state.
○ If all heroes but not all evil characters in battle are being defeated, then the battle is in the evil character(s) winning state.
○ If all of the evil characters but not all of the heroes in battle are being defeated, then the battle is in the hero(es) winning state.
○ If not all of the heroes in battle and not all of the evil characters in battle are being defeated, then the battle is in the stalemate state.

This describes who has initiative when, but it also tells us that a character like Attending Angel in your example is being defeated in this case.  I believe the current ruling is that Attending Angel and Terrifying Beast would both be discarded, Saint of Virtue would remain, and the Heroes would win.
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Re: A Complicated Protection with Banding Question
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2016, 08:47:34 PM »
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Okay, that's what I thought.
So it is a mutual destruction situation then?
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Re: A Complicated Protection with Banding Question
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2016, 09:33:18 PM »
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Quote from: SignoftheStar on July 04, 2016, 08:47:34 PM
Okay, that's what I thought.
So it is a mutual destruction situation then?

Sort of. Saint of Virtue is protected from terrifying beast, so he remains for battle resolution and thus the heroes win. But Attending Angel and TB are discarded because of mutual destruction.
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Re: A Complicated Protection with Banding Question
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2016, 07:00:50 PM »
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I guess my biggest question is, if the battle were to continue, would you determine initiative as if it were a mutual destruction situation?
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Re: A Complicated Protection with Banding Question
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2016, 09:45:56 PM »
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Quote from: SignoftheStar on July 05, 2016, 07:00:50 PM
I guess my biggest question is, if the battle were to continue, would you determine initiative as if it were a mutual destruction situation?

Yes.

EDIT: Actually, I think it is no.
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Re: A Complicated Protection with Banding Question
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2016, 10:57:38 PM »
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Quote from: SignoftheStar on July 05, 2016, 07:00:50 PM
I guess my biggest question is, if the battle were to continue, would you determine initiative as if it were a mutual destruction situation?

No.  The offense is outright winning, so that side can't get initiative unless the defense changes the battle to a MD, stalemate, or where the defense is outright winning.
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