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QuoteAlso, do they keep identifiers? So like would captured moses still count as a human, prophet, judge, prince, etc. NT female angel?A captured character still keeps its identifiers for cards that "look" for a specific thing (ie. "if a judge is in play"), but do cannot be targeted by those identifiers (ie. "discard a judge").
Also, do they keep identifiers? So like would captured moses still count as a human, prophet, judge, prince, etc. NT female angel?
Do Captured Demons get shuffled when the Shuffler LS is rescued?
Related question: Do captured heroes in Raider's Camp get shuffled when the Shuffler LS is rescued?
No. Raider's Camp specifies how cards enter AND how cards exit that fortress. Therefore, they can't enter or leave any other way.
They are Captured Heroes in there, not Lost Souls.
Quote from: Prof Underwood on July 14, 2011, 11:27:55 AMNo. Raider's Camp specifies how cards enter AND how cards exit that fortress. Therefore, they can't enter or leave any other way. So Covenant of Palestine doesn't get captured heroes out of Raider's Camp, either?
Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 14, 2011, 11:50:27 AMQuote from: Prof Underwood on July 14, 2011, 11:27:55 AMNo. Raider's Camp specifies how cards enter AND how cards exit that fortress. Therefore, they can't enter or leave any other way. So Covenant of Palestine doesn't get captured heroes out of Raider's Camp, either?Good point. I'm still getting used to the rule about cards entering and exiting fortresses myself. I suppose that it might only limit people's ability to add or remove them at will (ie. during prep phase), and not limit other card's interactions with those cards on the fortress.For instance, I could play CM on a hero held in a fortress that doesn't protect heroes, and that would send them to the discard pile (removing them from the fortress). And I could play ANB causing the cards in the fortress to shuffle into the deck (removing them from the fortress). So why wouldn't Covenant of Palestine remove them from the fortress? And why wouldn't the shuffler remove them from the fortress?
Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 14, 2011, 11:49:15 AMThey are Captured Heroes in there, not Lost Souls.What difference does it make where they are? Are you suggesting that a captured hero in a fortress cannot be shuffled by the Shuffler, but a captured hero outside of a fortress can?
Targeting versus happen-to-noticing:CO: Soldier, kill all terrorists on sight.Soldier: Sir! Yes, sir! Sir, are they the ones wearing desert-style clothing?CO: Soldier, you will notice many inhabitants of this land wearing desert-style clothing. Kill only those wearing a vest made into a bomb.Soldier: Sir! Yes, sir! Sir, wouldn't it just be easier to kill all of the inhabitants wearing desert-style clothing, so as to be sure we get the ones hiding bombs underneath?CO: If it were up to me, I'd have you shoot them all regardless of bombs or not. But the powers-that-be have written the rules for this war.Soldier: Sir! Yes, sir! Sir, may I use ammunition other than these paper-piercing bullets you gave me??
Yes, because Demonic Stronghold is not put in your Land of Bondage, which is where they are treated as Lost Souls. Also, from the REG:Captured characters placed in a fortress are not treated as Lost Souls because they are not in the Land of Bondage nor are they treated as regular characters. Rather, they are treated as captured characters. Captured heroes in a fortress are not subject to any effects that specify Heroes, Evil Characters, or Lost Souls (e.g., Band, Discard or Remove, or rescue). Cards that target all cards, captured Heroes, or captured Evil Characters can effect captured characters in a fortress.
Also, from the REG:Captured characters placed in a fortress are not treated as Lost Souls because they are not in the Land of Bondage nor are they treated as regular characters. Rather, they are treated as captured characters. Captured heroes in a fortress are not subject to any effects that specify Heroes, Evil Characters, or Lost Souls (e.g., Band, Discard or Remove, or rescue). Cards that target all cards, captured Heroes, or captured Evil Characters can effect captured characters in a fortress.
Was Arioch the only reason for that ruling? Because... he really isn't all that strong.
