Author Topic: 4th Disciples article posted - Who likes fishing? (Read 6061 times)

Bryon · « **on:** July 30, 2010, 11:28:11 AM »

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/red_game_articles_disciples-4.php

xCaLeBx · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2010, 11:35:04 AM »

this is bringin some speed deck ideas to me!

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2010, 12:11:32 PM »

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Matthew may draw up to X cards (limit 3).

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Thaddeus protects all cards in play, set-aside area, Artifact piles, hands, and decks from Evil Characters with toughness X or less (cannot be interrupted).

This article was full of very...discreet spoilers.

My favorite cards so far are the heroes. It looks like Disciples will have no trouble staying pretty much at the hand limit the whole game, what with Matthew, Fishing Boat, and Reach of Desperation. And Thaddeus...wow. That looks like the most powerful hero in the game. I hope we get some high defense EC's and/or more ways to prevent hero SA's, or else this dude will decimate.

Tank you, Bryon, for the amazing articles you've made! This looks like it is going to be the best Redemption set ever! I am very much looking forward to playing with the new themes from this set.

TheJaylor · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2010, 12:21:24 PM »

does it have to be worded like the promo Goshen so you can't take heroes out?

~Jayden

crustpope · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2010, 12:33:44 PM »

Who says you cannot take heros out of GOshen? And who says you cannot take heros out of this Fortress? You can add or remove heroes from any fortress during your upkeep phase unless the SA on the card restricts when they can be added or subtracted.

Master KChief · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2010, 12:36:34 PM »

i was so hoping it wouldnt cut off the art (like it was covered up by the redemption logo on the disciples box) and show they built a fire on the boat.

The Warrior · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2010, 12:47:24 PM »

sweet.........................................................................................

goldencomet · « **Reply #7 on:** July 30, 2010, 12:52:36 PM »

these cards are so powerful

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2010, 12:56:52 PM »

Quote from: KoalaKingofFortressAlstad on July 30, 2010, 12:21:24 PM

does it have to be worded like the promo Goshen so you can't take heroes out?

I'll bet you almost anything the new REG will solve this problem.

fyero · « **Reply #9 on:** July 30, 2010, 01:08:11 PM »

that is totally wicked! hehe well in a non-evil-wicked-kinda-way

great articles hehe i am giddy with excitement especially considering i may be able to make it to NATIONALS!! hehe

CountFount · « **Reply #10 on:** July 30, 2010, 02:15:59 PM »

I am hoping that they make Thomas useable.....keep the s/a but maybe make it a X/7. X is the number of the disciples in play.

JSB23 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 30, 2010, 02:17:55 PM »

Thaddeus protects all cards in play, set-aside area, Artifact piles, hands, and decks from Evil Characters with toughness X or less (cannot be interrupted).

Who approved that?

Bryon · « **Reply #12 on:** July 30, 2010, 02:45:13 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on July 30, 2010, 02:17:55 PM

Thaddeus protects all cards in play, set-aside area, Artifact piles, hands, and decks from Evil Characters with toughness X or less (cannot be interrupted).

Who approved that?

The people who devised a way OTHER THAN FBN to stop Uzzah and the other little pests.

It sounds a lot more powerful than it is. Though, in a dedicated Disciples deck with Crown of Throns active, it can be quite good.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2010, 02:52:28 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on July 30, 2010, 02:17:55 PM

Thaddeus protects all cards in play, set-aside area, Artifact piles, hands, and decks from Evil Characters with toughness X or less (cannot be interrupted).

Who approved that?

That's really not that good of an ability until end game when you have 5 or 6 disciples out and activate your Crown of Thorns.

JSB23 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2010, 02:56:45 PM »

Quote from: Bryon on July 30, 2010, 02:45:13 PM

Quote from: JSB23 on July 30, 2010, 02:17:55 PM
Thaddeus protects all cards in play, set-aside area, Artifact piles, hands, and decks from Evil Characters with toughness X or less (cannot be interrupted).

Who approved that?
The people who devised a way OTHER THAN FBN to stop Uzzah and the other little pests.

It sounds a lot more powerful than it is. Though, in a dedicated Disciples deck with Crown of Throns active, it can be quite good.

Then just make another John or negate all protect abilities.....
if you switched "play" with "not in battle" then it would be fine the way it is could be almost as bad as TGT sure you can block but you can't do anything to me

Red · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2010, 02:58:54 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on July 30, 2010, 02:56:45 PM

Quote from: Bryon on July 30, 2010, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: JSB23 on July 30, 2010, 02:17:55 PM
Thaddeus protects all cards in play, set-aside area, Artifact piles, hands, and decks from Evil Characters with toughness X or less (cannot be interrupted).

Who approved that?
The people who devised a way OTHER THAN FBN to stop Uzzah and the other little pests.

It sounds a lot more powerful than it is. Though, in a dedicated Disciples deck with Crown of Throns active, it can be quite good.
Then just make another John or negate all protect abilities.....
if you switched "play" with "not in battle" then it would be fine the way it is could be almost as bad as TGT sure you can block but you can't do anything to me

FBTN kills it.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2010, 02:59:32 PM »

Did you read the Cannot be interrupted part?

JSB23 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2010, 03:01:24 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 30, 2010, 02:59:32 PM

Did you read the Cannot be interrupted part?

that's what worries me

Red · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2010, 03:02:41 PM »

Oops.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2010, 03:05:40 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on July 30, 2010, 03:01:24 PM

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on July 30, 2010, 02:59:32 PM
Did you read the Cannot be interrupted part?
that's what worries me

Yep, I understand. I just don't think it's going to be that big an issue seeing as he isn't that good until end game, when you have had all game to plan how to stop him (Writ, Martyr, Immunity, etc).

JSB23 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2010, 03:06:35 PM »

He completely destroys emperors

Bryon · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2010, 03:12:56 PM »

Quote from: JSB23 on July 30, 2010, 02:56:45 PM

Quote from: Bryon on July 30, 2010, 02:45:13 PM
Quote from: JSB23 on July 30, 2010, 02:17:55 PM
Thaddeus protects all cards in play, set-aside area, Artifact piles, hands, and decks from Evil Characters with toughness X or less (cannot be interrupted).

Who approved that?
The people who devised a way OTHER THAN FBN to stop Uzzah and the other little pests.

It sounds a lot more powerful than it is. Though, in a dedicated Disciples deck with Crown of Throns active, it can be quite good.
Then just make another John or negate all protect abilities.....
if you switched "play" with "not in battle" then it would be fine the way it is could be almost as bad as TGT sure you can block but you can't do anything to me

You mean you aren't going to just use an immune character? Red Dragon stops Thaddeus cold.

Printing another John or a "negate protect abilities" has the same weakness as James the Less: Holy of Holies. HoH + Uzzah is already a dominant strategy. We want to knock it down a peg or two.

There are cards like Confusion of Mind and Satan's Seat that already prevent his ability. Plus, it is a lot harder to keep 5-8 disciples in play than you think. Are all the evil characters in your deck of such small toughness? Do none of them band? Do none of them have an immune ability?

As to balance, I trust the playtesting that was done in this set more than any other set Cactus has ever released. We had some of the top Redemption players using and testing and playing and testing and playing and testing a LOT. They gave frequent input. If anything, there is a disciple or two that is weaker than they would have hoped, but not stronger. Again, it sounds better than it is.

crustpope · « **Reply #22 on:** July 30, 2010, 03:28:49 PM »

I assume Disciples will not be legal for this years Nats Tournament..

Professoralstad · « **Reply #23 on:** July 30, 2010, 03:31:55 PM »

Only in Booster Draft (at least that's what I'm assuming). That's how it's been ever since FoOF, the new set is used in Booster Draft, but nothing else.

Gabe · « **Reply #24 on:** July 30, 2010, 03:42:36 PM »

Quote from: Bryon on July 30, 2010, 03:12:56 PM

...If anything, there is a disciple or two that is weaker than they would have hoped, but not stronger.

Don't be deceived by how good the Disciples look on paper. They're powerful and fun to play but you've gotten a false impression if you think they're over powered. I'd be lying if I said there wasn't at least one Disciples that I felt could have used a little boost.

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