Kittens is correct on 1. For 2, you may bring in a new Hero to join Abishai.And that wouldn't be considered "banding" according to Goliath then?
Although the restrictions of matching brigade is relaxed for these card types, each enhancement card must still be activated on a specific character. That character retains the enhancements while the character is in battle. If a character is removed or withdraws before the end of the battle, the enhancements are discarded unless there is another character currently in the battle or immediately replaced in battle that can use them. The remaining cards unused are then discarded.
Although the restrictions of matching brigade is relaxed for these card types, each enhancement card must still be activated on a specific character. That character retains the enhancements while the character is in battle. If a character is removed or withdraws before the end of the battle, the enhancements are discarded unless there is another character currently in the battle or immediately replaced in battle that can use them. The remaining cards unused are then discarded.
#2 - I'd like to point out that Caleb is NOT a giant slayer.Really? Oh. Is there a list of them somewhere because I didn't see "giant-slayers" in the REG?
The portion I think you're looking at and drawing the conclusion that you can use Unknown Nation to keep enhancements is only referring to cards that exchange one character for another. For example Wheel within a Wheel and Temptation.I'm not actually sure that Unknown Nation (or Madness or discarding GoH) wouldn't be another way to "immediately replace" a character in battle of matching brigade. However, it's not important enough to me to start a discussion on the other side until at least after Nats. There's just too many other fish to fry. I'll just leave this here so someone will remind me in August to think about this some more :)
A list of Giant Slayers can be found here (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/giant-slayers/msg422900/#msg422900).Thank you for clearing that up about Caleb. I read the verse and figured that "drove out" implied that he killed them and I was positive that the Anakites were giants.
The portion I think you're looking at and drawing the conclusion that you can use Unknown Nation to keep enhancements is only referring to cards that exchange one character for another. For example Wheel within a Wheel and Temptation.I'm not actually sure that Unknown Nation (or Madness or discarding GoH) wouldn't be another way to "immediately replace" a character in battle of matching brigade. However, it's not important enough to me to start a discussion on the other side until at least after Nats. There's just too many other fish to fry. I'll just leave this here so someone will remind me in August to think about this some more :)
What about something in the case of Reach -> AoCP? What is the definition of "immediately follow"?
No special ability can immediately follow another one, unless they are on the same card, or are triggered abilities with a trigger that went off. Unknown Nation is neither. It seems this would be a fairly easy issue to solve.
So either the REG quote did not mean "immediately" (most likely scenario), or there is a way to immediately replace a hero who is being "removed or withdraws." What is an example of the latter, since exchange is not listed in that quote?
So either the REG quote did not mean "immediately" (most likely scenario), or there is a way to immediately replace a hero who is being "removed or withdraws." What is an example of the latter, since exchange is not listed in that quote?
As I mentioned previously, Temptation is one example. There are other cards that do the same thing, like any choose the blocker or choose the rescuer.
I'm not actually sure that Unknown Nation (or Madness or discarding GoH) wouldn't be another way to "immediately replace" a character in battle of matching brigade. However, it's not important enough to me to start a discussion on the other side until at least after Nats.
I can't really tell if you don't understand what I'm saying or if you just disagree. If it's the former I'd like to help. If it's the later that's OK too but I'll withdraw from the conversation because I don't care to turn this into a debate.
I'm certain that what I'm telling you is correct. Professor Alstad has also confirmed it.
If you rule as I've explained at your Regional tournament you have two scapegoats if it turns out to be wrong. If you rule differently you do not.
For your sake I will post this on the elder boards. As most discussions there don't happen quickly over there I cannot promise that we can report back before it really matters to you.
I'm certain that what I'm telling you is correct. Professor Alstad has also confirmed it. The fact that Prof Underwood is unsure of himself is no reason not to take our word on this. If you rule as I've explained at your Regional tournament you have two scapegoats if it turns out to be wrong. If you rule differently you do not.I agree with Gabe that you should rule his way at this time. There are 2 elders in agreement, and none in disagreement (I'm not disagreeing, just unsure). So that is official for now :)
If it would help, I could add this at the top of my Cheat Sheet with the other recent ruling changes so people have more ready access to it.
We will work to make this more clear in the REG/Rulebook. That should be released sometime around 2033.
We will work to make this more clear in the REG/Rulebook. That should be released sometime around 2033.
That soon?
I have Southeast Regionals coming up in one week, with players in the top .001% that I really would rather not have to face-off with.
What exactly is the new/updated/correct ruling?
What exactly is the new/updated/correct ruling?
If a character is removed from battle, then any enhancements played on that character that cannot be transferred to another character currently in battle are discarded immediately, and therefore cannot be used to satisfy Grapes of Wrath's discard ability. Also, a player cannot use Unknown Nation to bring in a new character that could have used those enhancements.