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3 Questions (how they all start out).
« on: July 05, 2011, 09:07:36 PM »
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Q1.
I have Potiphar (May band to Potiphar's Wife) in battle with Egyptian Horses (ITB, d2, play next) and I play Enslaved by Egypt to capture a male hero.

All of that has to complete before banding abilities because of order of operations.

If I band to Potiphar's Wife (If male Heroes are defeated by a win or stalemate by Potiphar's wife, capture and place them in opponent's land of bondage instead) after I play Enslaved by Egypt does she get credit for it for her special ability because it doesn't trigger until battle resolution?

Q2.
My opponent has an activation triggered ability artifact active (Wash Basin: On activation, reveal the bottom X cards of an opponent's deck (limit 2). Discard the evil cards and place the rest on top or bottom of deck).

How does playing Destruction of Nethustan on it work, is it only discarded or does it negate the instant trigger and discard it?

When can I play DoN on it for it to be negated.

How does Dominant initiative work in phase change, does my opponent need to give me a chance to play a dominant during the window of opportunity I have to play DoN to negate it.

Q3.
Are Egyptian Wise Men magicians? They aren't listed in the REG as such. (I'm assuming it's outdated)
« Last Edit: July 05, 2011, 09:54:30 PM by Smokey »

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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011, 11:56:50 PM »
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1. Very difficult to answer since "defeats" is not clearly defined. I would guess no since she didn't capture the Hero, Potiphar did.

2.a If played during the same phase, it fully negates it.
2.b See a
2.c See a
2.d Your opponent does need to allow for a dominant in response to anything he does before he switches phases.

3. No, "wise men" has been ruled too ambiguous to definitively be a magician.
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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 02:54:14 PM »
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1. Very difficult to answer since "defeats" is not clearly defined. I would guess no since she didn't capture the Hero, Potiphar did.

2.d Your opponent does need to allow for a dominant in response to anything he does before he switches phases.

1. Defeat is defined in the Reg as anything that stops a hero from rescuing a lost soul.

2. How would he go about that? Does it have to be verbal?

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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 05:29:53 PM »
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1. Yes, but it's a loose definition that doesn't take everything into account, and it's the definition for "defeat," not "defeats" (that is, who is it that's doing the defeating and when is it calculated).

2. It should be pretty obvious if your opponent is trying to rush it. Unfortunately there isn't a written rule for how any sort of initiative/phase check works.
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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 05:43:25 PM »
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Unfortunately there isn't a written rule for how any sort of initiative/phase check works.

I find that utterly ridiculous.
How could there be an absence of a written rule on how initiative and phase checks are acknowledged/passed.

Lets create a new definition for the game redemption:
A card game with loose definitions, vague wording, and unclear rules! oh joy!
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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 05:50:37 PM »
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Unfortunately there isn't a written rule for how any sort of initiative/phase check works.

I find that utterly ridiculous.
How could there be an absence of a written rule on how initiative and phase checks are acknowledged/passed.

Lets create a new definition for the game redemption:
A card game with loose definitions, vague wording, and unclear rules! oh joy!

Try javelin catching. Only one rule.
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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 05:54:40 PM »
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Try javelin catching. Only one rule.

Sure Ill play, I throw first. ;D
The absurdity that is redemption is not disputable.
I don't expect everyone to agree with me.
Sadly, Ive played card games for 15 years now and I know when I see ongoing problems that could easily be fixed.

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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 06:28:22 PM »
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And He can bring peace to the middle east and show me how to win NATS this year.
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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 07:34:53 PM »
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And He can bring peace to the middle east and show me how to win NATS this year.

1.)
Peace in the middle east:
Chuck Norris

2.)
Ill show you how to win nats:
Have me concede to you in the finals.

You think I am over hyping my play ability?
I am ranked top .001% of another card game (which is much more strategic) in the WORLD (out of 20 million people or so).
I've been featured in magazines as well as having my match broadcasted on ESPN 3.

My friends have sort of persuaded me to play redemption, even though it is an inferior game in design but not principal.
I have invented a new type of deck that I refer to as "type 1.5" and it easily catching on though out my state and eventually the nation.
Everyone should know there are many problems in redemption that could be fixed with a bit more effort from the play testers and game creator, Rob Anderson.

When my playgroup and I meet Rob Anderson next week, I will make sure to propose many changes to the game.
I know that I am not alone in thinking that redemption has many flaws.
I would love to restore redemption to prominence as the top card game of all time, unfortunately I do not have that power.








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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 07:36:57 PM »
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And He can bring peace to the middle east and show me how to win NATS this year.

1.)
Peace in the middle east:
Chuck Norris

2.)
Ill show you how to win nats:
Have me concede to you in the finals.

You think I am over hyping my play ability?
I am ranked top .001% of another card game (which is much more strategic) in the WORLD (out of 20 million people or so).
I've been featured in magazines as well as having my match broadcasted on ESPN 3.

My friends have sort of persuaded me to play redemption, even though it is an inferior game in design but not principal.
I have invented a new type of deck that I refer to as "type 1.5" and it easily catching on though out my state and eventually the nation.
Everyone should know there are many problems in redemption that could be fixed with a bit more effort from the play testers and game creator, Rob Anderson.

When my playgroup and I meet Rob Anderson next week, I will make sure to propose many changes to the game.
I know that I am not alone in thinking that redemption has many flaws.
I would love to restore redemption to prominence as the top card game of all time.

Wat...

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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 08:10:12 PM »
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You can't be top 0.0001% in Redemption, because there isn't 10K players. Therefore doing such means you're the best. And no one is able to come close to contesting Brian Cooper's deserved number one spot.
« Last Edit: July 06, 2011, 09:16:28 PM by Rawrlolsauce! »

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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2011, 09:30:00 PM »
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You think I am over hyping my play ability?
I am ranked top .001% of another card game (which is much more strategic) in the WORLD (out of 20 million people or so).
I've been featured in magazines as well as having my match broadcasted on ESPN 3.
I've heard about your success down in Florida, and I suspect you are a good player.  However, I'm really hoping you get to go to Nats this year so that you can test yourself against the best players from around the country.  I'm guessing that you'll come away with a greater sense of humility in addition to making some great friends :)

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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2011, 09:43:10 PM »
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You can't be top 0.0001% in Redemption, because there isn't 10K players.

He said "another game," so I am certain he was not talking about Redemption. I can only assume he means MTG because of the numbers you mentioned.

I've heard about your success down in Florida, and I suspect you are a good player. 

He still has to survive Regionals.  :o

Besides, he hasn't played me yet (since I was hosting), and I am in the .001 percentile.  ;)
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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2011, 09:57:57 PM »
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When my playgroup and I meet Rob Anderson next week, I will make sure to propose many changes to the game.

I hope you will do so with more respect than you have shown in this thread.
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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2011, 10:40:42 PM »
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I hope you will do so with more respect than you have shown in this thread.

Uhm, I hope you are referring to the guy who asked me to catch a javelin...
I don't expect people to agree with me, many people haven't invested the amount of time I have playing different card games.
Please explain to me how I have been disrespectful (even though you have no right to judge me).

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“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye(emphasis added)? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. (emphasis added)

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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2011, 11:19:26 PM »
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Uhm, I hope you are referring to the guy who asked me to catch a javelin...

He was joking. That is his usual humor, which being new to the boards you would not have realized.


I don't expect people to agree with me, many people haven't invested the amount of time I have playing different card games.

But some of us have. I have been playing many different card games over the last 15 years, ever since MTG started the CCG revolution. I was an official Pokemon Gym Trainer before becoming a Redemption host. Before MTG, there was only the standard deck card games, which I had been playing for 20 years before MTG came out. My parents taught me competitive card games ever since I was old enough to understand numbers and shapes. While the other kids were playing Chutes & Ladders, I was playing Bridge, Hearts and Spades.

I do not doubt that you have exceptional strategic ability, and that you can bring years of experience to this game. However, the manner in which you present your ideas determines whether you will be taken seriously. There are many other players in the Redemption ranks that are former MTG players, and some that were in the upper echelon (I believe Master KChief might be one). Your input could be a valuable tool if you will curb your disdain for Redemption's weaknesses long enough for your ideas to be heard. Right now, comments like the ones below will only make most of us tune you out before you even begin.

Please explain to me how I have been disrespectful (even though you have no right to judge me).

Certainly:

Everyone should know there are many problems in redemption that could be fixed with a bit more effort from the play testers and game creator, Rob Anderson.

You have no idea how much time Rob Anderson has put into Redemption, and Cactus Game Design does more than Redemption. Oh yeah, and then there's that whole being a husband and father thing.... but you wouldn't know about that, yet.  ;)

Also, the playtesters are all volunteers from all over the country, so playtesting is likely very limited by each one's real life schedule.

The absurdity that is redemption is not disputable.

I would suggest that calling Redemption absurd would be disrespectful... maybe it's just me....  ::)

Lets create a new definition for the game redemption:
A card game with loose definitions, vague wording, and unclear rules! oh joy!

I really don't think I need to comment on this one....  :P
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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2011, 11:36:28 PM »
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That verse has been taken out of content so many times.  Also, I'm sure he would want to be measure the same way as he is measuring you (something that people tend to miss in those verses).  By saying that his suggestion was a judgemental one, you are judging him as well.  So, do you still want to use that verse?

Also, read what the Holy Bible say about pride before you try and throw a commonly misused verse at others.

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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2011, 11:39:04 PM »
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FTR, I did notice that log in my eye. I have been taking it out piece by piece.....  that's why I keep using this smiley:  ;)
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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2011, 11:40:33 PM »
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Let's not turn this into an Open Discussion thread. There are several very important questions in here.

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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2011, 02:51:36 AM »
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All of the questions have been answered except for "how does one acknowledge the passing of initiative." That's been argued off and on for 4+ years.
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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2011, 09:39:04 AM »
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Since when is Magic on ESPN? o_O. I assumed poker.

And speaking of poker, we should hold a poker tournament at nats.

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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2011, 10:45:40 AM »
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All of the questions have been answered except for "how does one acknowledge the passing of initiative." That's been argued off and on for 4+ years.

We should probably have the discussion again. Maybe one of these times someone will actuall definitively rule.

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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2011, 11:19:34 AM »
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I've stated before how I rule at my tournaments.  If there is a dispute as to whether a player tried to prevent another player from using a dominant by slapjacking cards, then I will always side with the player who wanted to play their dominant.

So if you're at my tournament, it is in your own best interest to ask your opponent for initiative so that when you play your card, that they can't claim that they wanted to play a dominant first.

Since when is Magic on ESPN? o_O. I assumed poker.
Poker is NOT more strategic than Redemption.  I don't know if MTG is, since I've never played it, but I've played poker, and I know that it is NOT.
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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2011, 11:39:25 AM »
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Since when is Magic on ESPN? o_O. I assumed poker.

I was guessing that the Magic World Tour was televised at some point, since it is an international event.
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Re: 3 Questions (how they all start out).
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2011, 12:16:28 PM »
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I am ranked top .001% of another card game (which is much more strategic) in the WORLD (out of 20 million people or so).
Whoa. That's less than 0 percent.

 


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