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A bunch of stuff in response to my wall of text...

I'm going to let you have the last word.

It is fun to think about and to play fun games under, but quite frankly even if everyone was in complete agreement that CBN was *the* major problem in the game, rule #2 would never be seriously considered. The fact that people are claiming that it is impossible (in any practical sense) to make Hur's ability negatable demonstrates that the concept is beyond what people are capable of entertaining.

I don't like these rules for several reasons:

1. Doing damage to Drawing will hurt every theme in the game. It will make people run from nearly every new theme and maybe even away from the game. I support a Rule for Decking out, Not exactly losing, but somthing that would hurt it. And we already have a Max Hand Limit at any time anyway.

2. Removing CBN/CBI will also just hurt the game more then help it. It makes Banding a FBTN Character very bad very quickly. I'm working on a card to hurt CBN/CBI cards anyway, and others are too. It's better to get counters for CBN then just destroying it.

3. AUtO's bullet-proof Gideon isn't that bad. I've shut it down before, besides with all the Archers, its easy to do that by sniping either of them in territory.

4. It's not a really good idea to stop the Battle-winner characters via Game Rule. There are easier ways to stop that like Iron Pan and I had also made a suggestion for harming them in New Card Ideas a while ago.

Most of your problems are things that should be stopped by counters not Game Rules. I'd suggest making some card suggestions out of these Game Rule suggestions.

I do understand, you are not understanding what I said. I'm saying banding a FBTN character by an Enhancement (ie I play the Second Seal to band Cap in) that now makes all the cards that were CBN and are now CBP negated. And it makes for bad loops.
For example: I play The Second Seal on Mike to band TSA in, TSA negates The Second Seal kicking himself out of battle and thus making the battle FBTN and a waste of my time to use it.

Or with Deciving Spirit vs. CwD, Deceving Spirit turns into a Character, CwD negates that, and now we have an infinite loop, because Deceving Spirit was originally CBI but now CBI doesn't exist by your rule.

Yea, or make card ideas that would do damage to these problems. That is what I would suggest too.

Thx Redoubter, I know it's rare where we actually agree on this forum area.

I also do not understand in what instances CBI and CBN are necessary for the game.

Instances that move many cards between hand, deck, and discards (due to cascading effects and the impossibility of returning everything to how it was without perfect memory and perfect honesty) are the best examples.

CBN is also necessary to prevent loops. 

My objection to the rule isn't that removing CBN would ruin the game because it needs the ability.  I object becasue it's such a drastic change, after all there are a lot of CBN cards out there.  Should such a massive change as this be implemented in real life I would not leave the game (I'm love it too much), but I'm sure many of the guys I play with would. 

Hey,

This thread belongs in the Game Play Variations forum not the ruling questions forum.  If only I still had mod powers....

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

I'm not sure that this belongs here, but I don't think it belongs in variations either. Considering the low level of traffic we get, does it really matter that much? I don't see a procedural argument being necessary.