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didn't i just say "there WILL NOT be prizes"?
prizes are the reason why i unjoined the tournament cause they'll distract me of what the game's meant to bring: Fun and Fellowship and prizes are gonna lead me away from Fun and Fellowship.
and therefore there will not be prizes and i won't allow prizes in this tournament cause this tournament is suppose to be for fun like soul seeker's was

the loser receives 5 point bonus for trying *cause i'm generous  Wink*

This rule is horrible It means I only get 5 extra points if my opp gets 4 ls. Try
5 points for winning.
1 point for losing
1 point per ls won.
So winning nets you 10 points, but losing with 4 gives you 5.

Also...besides you Andy, who would want to join this when we have a perfectly fine ladder WITH prizes? Other people don't have your issue with trying.
So I give this thread my stamp...

Of FAIL. But you will have the chance to spin the wheel later on in the show for no prizes!

Yes it does. It also says to approach those who offended you in private. Please don't spout the bible off at me when you aren't following it. I am telling you the truth Andy, You have tried to host a prizeless tournament  five or six times against a properly thought out, prized and well done tournament and you've had 4-5 members at max. You also tend to forget your tournament and don't update rankings etc. I am speaking from experience of your tournaments. I am speaking to you as a friend to try out the other tournament at least for a while. If you don't like it after 2 weeks (6 games) you can quit but don't be rude to soul seeker, gabe, prof, and the rest by sticking your tounge out at them with a half thought out tournament trying to steal people from their work because YOU don't wanna play for prizes.

i'm not trying to be rude to anybody.
soul seeker had a prizeless tourney and it went well and you say your a friend but your not.
you just made me feel a WHOLE LOT WORSE rather then better.
it's not gabe's prizes it's just the temptation of the prizes to put my mind away from what's important about the game which is a good reason why for me to unjoin and i REALLY don't appritiate people like you and caleb coming up to me and killing my thread when all i'm trying to do is have fun and get better.

no thanks caleb i don't need your prizes.
this tournament is intended for players to play,improve and have fun

well your not helping me.
and i can't play in an online tournament with prizes and not care about winning.
the prizes will distract me and it will increase my desire to win and i don't need that.

wow like most topics this went to fine and happy to flame war in 0.01 sces

I am trying not to flame. Andy, you are supposed to be trying to win, you just have to learn to have fun while trying to win. If you never try, you will never progress. Remember how horrible you were when we first met, and now your decks are solid decks because you tried... and failed alot.

You THINK you can go. You don't know. You might be able to go farther so why not try?

cause i think this is my limit

RR is being a WONDERFULL friend RIGHT NOW. You feel sucky, right? And think that you are no good? And RR is trying to help you with your decks(although, RR, what's with the color guard ls in that one deck and no single color site? ) because he believes, even when you don't, that you can be a great player. That's what a good friend is. Someone who believes in you. And anyways, please read my post in the SOT about playing with 100+ decks and stuff. Are there prizes? yes. Am I trying to win them? not really.

I will end with this quote from batman. "why do we fall, master Bruce? So that we can learn how to pick ourselves up."

"still haven't given up on me, alfred?"

"never."

I would like to start this post by saying I do not like Raven as much as most people, and I think alot of negative things about him. I recognize this is an unchristian attitude and I am trying to be more christian in my attitude towards him and similar people in my real life.

Now, as for this tournament. While I recognize Andy is just trying to create a place he can learn to play the game better, he is doing this from a selfish perspective. From what I can gather from his attitude, he does not want to play in the tournament if it has prizes because he thinks he does not have a chance to win. Basically, he seems to think that because he is not as good as other people, everyone else shouold cater to his skill level, or create an environment that allows him to succeed.

Meanwhile, the others (RR mainly) just want to have a nice fun game, in the context of a tournament. They do not care about prizes, and in fact, the prizes are only there because of the overwhelming genorosity of an excellent player and person, Gabe. They were not intended for the tournament; someone just went over the top and said, hey, I want to be nice and support redemption and this tournament, and so I'm going to give out prizes. Everyone said, thanks, Gabe, you rock, except Andy. Why? I refer to paragraph 1; he does not think he can win, so he thinks noone should win.

While he should never have this attitude, the blame is not entirely his. Players like Caleb constantly harass him and thrawt his attempts at fun with stuff like you see in this thread. They refuse to be nice to him and just egg on his attempts to do anything. I am among this group, and we are in fact partially to blame.

Moral of the post:

Andy, please stop being ridiculous. You can have fun within the context of a prize structure. See a real redemption tournament.

RR, I appreciate your attempts to help, and your friendship to Andy.

Caleb, myself, etx, we need to stop being so harsh and critical and mean to Andy.