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what if we don't have hp, eh?

Then, like a physical tournament, you can't use it.

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Quote from: New Raven (trying to change) BR on March 05, 2009, 06:58:40 PM

what if we don't have hp, eh?

Then you can't play it.  Another rule that was enforced  with Jacob's Ladder when it was sanctioned (and should be considered this time as well) is that you can't play with cards you don't own.  I don't know if I agree with that or not.  I could see it both ways.  Ponder this I will.   

how exactly was that enforced?I mean he can't very well come from 10 states up just tolook thorugh my collection and I agree about the HP being ripped now

We'll go on the honor system, I believe. Or show it to someone you know IRL and they can confirm you did it (if they are a board user).

I don't think we should do the "must own a card to play it" idea. I always thought online tournaments were great because they gave you freedom to try out new ideas, and see how you fare. I know it could be done in non-tournament games, but many people won't be able to play as many/with the same people. Doesn't really matter to me how it is ruled to me, though. I believe I have every card in the deck I'm using aside from 1, and that can be easily rectified... 

I have to agree with RED. Except with the official Online tourney. Its a card simulator. Thats whats fun about it. If you were playing a simulation game in which you had to run 50 miles, do you have to do that in real life? Heck no. But if its RNRS, yes, rip it.

While it is now official and now has prizes those characteristics seem to be an attempt to increase participation not an attempt to reward success in the event.

Very astute observation Sir Nobody.  Indeed the prizes are set up in a way to encourage the most participation.  Hopefully the people who most need the packs will get the packs, and the people who don't need packs anymore will hopefully be attracted by the RNRS points

As for the Haman's Plot issue, my main concern is having a rule that can't be enforced.  As a teacher, I have been trained to avoid doing that sort of thing.  So here's my main question.  For those of you who want HP to be physically torn...what would be a way to actually ensure that this actually happened.  And for all our sake, please make it be something that would be relatively easy (ie. not having to video the whole thing and post it on YouTube)

Quote from: SirNobody on March 05, 2009, 09:34:57 PM

While it is now official and now has prizes those characteristics seem to be an attempt to increase participation not an attempt to reward success in the event.

  And for all our sake, please make it be something that would be relatively easy (ie. not having to video the whole thing and post it on YouTube)

video chat!

and that is a very good point I have no idea how that would work

i say HP is NOT to be ripped online EVEN if it is sacontioned!

Then you're a stones throw away from claiming that you shouldn't have to rip it if you use it in an official tournament. I have no problem with people using cards they don't own. People borrow cards from other people for tournament decks all the time. I have a friend who played with a deck that was 52/53 borrowed. There's nothing in the rules that says you have to own your deck or the cards you're using. Haman's Plot does say you have to rip it.

I say you need to rip it in the online tournaments and remove it from your deck after it has been done so. There should be a firmer set on how many decks you're allowed to use as well, IMO. If you only use one deck, then I'd be fine with you being able to use it twice (analogous to checking in two of the same deck), as long as you tear two Plots.

Thanks for calling me out, others might have been confused with the ideas that I was trying to convey.

You are totally contradicting yourself.
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I think people should be able to play with cards they don't own.  This tourney was meant to encourage a lot of participation and to allow newer players an opportunity to play with people of different skills & decks to learn the game.
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Personally, I like a game to be as close to "real life tournament reality" as possible.
If you want real like, then why are you fine with playing with cards you don't own.  So, would you be fine with people playing HP without ripping if they DIDNT own it but you want them to rip it if they DO own it!?  I don't get it.

I don't think I'm contradicting myself at all.  You took two different statements and trains of thoughts from two different paragraphs.  I don't mind people not owning cards at all.  As for the second statement, me...myself....I....personally, am a competitive person who likes to challenge myself.  I want the very best someone can throw at me.  I want to get better, and playing the best makes me better.  Not everyone is like me, it is just what makes me tick.  So, both statements are true in my mind. The reality is what I will face at tournaments.  At tournaments, not everyone uses their own cards.  At tournaments, I have had HPs ripped against me.  Both of those things have happened to me in reality and I was okay with both.  They make me a better player.

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If the majority decides on having them ripped, then I would suggest an investment of another $0.42 and mail the torn card to your opponent.
Wow, this would be the faster way ever for the SOT to be substituted with another online tourny. 

Prof wanted suggestions, so I gave one.  I don't know why the suggestion offended you so much especially since I can't remember you playing in any of the SOTs yet.  If you have a suggestion, then give it.  That is what Prof asked for.

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Personally, I think if someone wants to sell their integrity and soul for an online tournament then they got bigger problems than losing a $5 card.
How do you say this and this:
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I still stand by my original purpose statement:  the tourney was created for all of our enjoyment and fellowship.

I stand by both statements.  First statement:  I was just pointing out that if someone is out to deceive others or had it in their mind to get away with cheating then they have some major spiritual problems.  I think that everyone should keep the game in perspective.  Which leads to the second statement that you qouted:  this game is to be enjoyed and to have fellowship with other Christians.  Maybe even to learn a little Bible.  People shouldn't let winning (which trying to cheat with HP may be a symptom of) get in the way of that.

tearing a real life hamans plot for an online redemption SIMULATOR is about as asinine as it gets. seriously, this is about as sad as redemption has ever come.

Hey,

Imagine having different rules with different hosts.

I don't have to imagine, I've been there.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

No, SOT is not a sanctioned tourny event.  We did have a FSP, but that was from a 3rd party (Gabe)

Quote from: Master KChief on March 06, 2009, 01:54:15 AM

tearing a real life hamans plot for an online redemption SIMULATOR is about as asinine as it gets. seriously, this is about as sad as redemption has ever come.

It is still an official tournament.  Just because it's online doesn't mean rules can be changed.  Imagine having different rules with different hosts.

I guess you can tell that I'm in favor of the ripage.

It may be a organized tournament but it is not official.

tearing a real life hamans plot for an online redemption SIMULATOR is about as asinine as it gets. seriously, this is about as sad as redemption has ever come.

I don't know why the suggestion offended you so much especially since I can't remember you playing in any of the SOTs yet.

I'm not offended, I just think that that is not a good way for the SOT to go.  Like SirNobody said, why are we assuming the Redemption community is not truthful?

For the new Official Online Tournament I think it's appropriate that if you play a Haman's Plot you must rip an untorn Haman's Plot in half as the card states.

The reason for the change of heart is that this is now official, sponsored by Cactus Games, with prizes and RNRS points.  I expect that we should be required to follow all official rules.

For the record I still don't feel that people should have to rip a HP in unofficial, casual or test games.

Gabe

When did this happen?  Or are you talking in "ifs"?

No, SOT is not a sanctioned tourny event.  We did have a FSP, but that was from a 3rd party (Gabe)
It may be a organized tournament but it is not official.

Indeed the SOT was not official, although it was a well-run tournament with a lot of participation.  However, it has now transitioned into ROOT, which is official.  Therefore, this discussion is very relevant.

As for the suggestion of mailing the torn plot, I agree with Sir Nobody that it would be possible for people to just keep mailing around the same torn plots repeatedly.  However, if a person had to NEATLY print their name in big letters on their plot before tearing it, then this could work.  No one could remail a HP because it would have someone else's name on it.  This would also be kinda cool because you would end up with a collection of all the HPs that had ever been torn on you, signed by all those people.

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on March 06, 2009, 08:35:56 AM

No, SOT is not a sanctioned tourny event.

For the record, we are no longer talking about the SoT.  We're talking about ROOT.  It's official.  It's sancationed.  There are RNRS points.

http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=14793.0

that that was what I was missing.  ok, that changes the situation a bit. 

Since there are RNRS points I must agree that ripping HP is required.  However, I"m not sure about the mailing.  What about ripping it, writing your name and date, then taking a picture of it and emailing it?  That would solve the problem.

Or, of course, honor system is another way to do it.  Some may cheat, but most won't.

Cameron