Community Feedback - REG 3.0.0

[Redoubter]

Please respond to this document with any suggested changes or with any typos/errors found in the currently-published REG.

The next version of the REG is scheduled for release December 1, 2015 (pending final date determinations), so please provide your feedback here if you wish to have your insights considered for that version.

[Praeceps]

In Ignore's How to play it says Ignore has 4 parts but only lists 3.

[Redoubter]

In Ignore's How to play it says Ignore has 4 parts but only lists 3.

This was an error in the version that got published, there are indeed still 4 parts of ignore.  It is being corrected as we speak, thank you for pointing it out!

EDIT: So all of the text is still there, but in that copy of the REG, somehow 3 and 4 ended up on the same line.  We are getting a cleaner version published instead that fixes that problem.  Thanks again!

[RedemptionAggie]

In the glossary, under "Christ or Jesus in the Title or Reference", none of the multicolor cards are listed.  Water to Wine (I), Resurrection (Di), Of One Mind (Ap), Faith in Our High Priest and Christ's Triumph should be listed.

And Unity in Christ is listed as PC, not TEC.

Also, is it just me, or does the text change colors in the some of the lists in the glossary?  For example, under demons, the color changes in the middle of Beast from the Sea.

[Redoubter]

Will work on that glossary entry, thank you!

Regarding rulings, everyone please note that anything that meets that definition is currently a card that can be used with that ability, even if it is not listed in the REG.

Also, is it just me, or does the text change colors in the some of the lists in the glossary?

Consistent colors is another thing I'll be working on in the next REG, there are a lot of formatting irregularities that appeared due to multiple edit time periods.

[RedemptionAggie]

Fruits of the Spirt
I think Temperance is a Fruit of the Spirit - just a change in which version of the Bible is used.

Giant Slayer
David isn't formatted the same way as other mentions of him - no parentheses around the brigade colors, and it's both Warriors then both Kings, instead of both Green then both Red.

There's also only 1 print of Jonathan listed vs. 4 under II Samuel.

Heretic
Phygellus (Ap) is missing.

House of Ithamar
"And" in the list of evil characters is in the wrong place - "Phineas, AND son of Eli (Pi)," - and there's an extra comma at the end.

I Chronicles Hero
Lahmi (I) has a I Chronicles reference, changed from II Samuel on the other versions.

II Samuel
Uriah the Hittite (RA2), Saph (I), and Ishbibenob (I) are missing from their respective categories.

Jerusalem Heroes
Bartholomew (Nathaniel) (Ap), not Bartholomew (Nathanael).

Matthew (Di) does not have (Levi) in the title.

Barnabas, Mark, and Silas are missing versions - I think there should be BL, BU, DL, DU, L, UL and TEC versions for all 3.

Joseph in the Title or Reference
I think Ezekiel's Stick is missing versions (BL and UL, but not BU, if I remember right), but would have to have the cards in front of me to be certain.

Judge
Joshua 1 and Joshua 2 aren't very descriptive, without links.  Maybe Settlers/District or non-WC/WC?

King
There's something wrong with the list of cards that reference Kings - Admiral, Kingdoms of the World (all 3 variants), Plague of Blood, Pride in the Flesh, Sound the Trumpet, The Golden Censer, and Vengeance of Eternal Fire reference Kingdoms of the World, not a King.  And maybe others as well - I didn't check all the Kings, but enough were missing that I assumed they were correct.

[Gabe]

Thanks, Aggie. I'd + 1 that post if I could.

[RedemptionAggie]

Thanks Gabe.  Most of this is minor and easily inferred from either the card or the rest of the REG entry, just not consistent with other lists within the glossary.

I do have some suggestions, but looking to make sure they aren't addressed elsewhere in the glossary before throwing them out for discussion.

[RedemptionAggie]

Acts 12 Cards and Acts 19 Cards
Are these intended to be subsections of Acts cards?  I think it's just a formatting issue where they're set too far over.

Angel, Heretic, and Missionary
Not mentioned as an identifier that doesn't convert (or changes on conversion in the case of Angel).  Only mentioned because the glossary entries for Magician and Prophet do mention that.

Based on Prophecy
The formatting of the first paragraph seems off.  It's in line with the text following the first bullet point, not the bullet point itself.  And there's an unnecessary new line in the middle of the last line.

II Samuel
The cards that reference this identifer are the same as those under "I Chronicles Hero", but the formatting is a bit different - no Hero in the title, cards instead of characters, etc.

Jeremiah Card and Priest
Pashur the Priest is spelled incorrectly - 1 h, not 2.

Kings
King David seems misplaced as a card referring to Kings - there's a separate entry for Royalty/Royal Family.

Luke Heroes
Gabriel (Di) refers to good Luke Enhancements, unless he's there because he refers to himself, as this version is a Luke Hero.

Magicians
There's an extra comma between Enchanter (TP) and Jambres (Pi).

Mentioned in I or II Samuel
Asahel (CL and CU), Hushai (AL and AU), and Uriah (AL and AU) are missing versions.  David (Wa and Ki) is also not identified as Red, but that's implied because Joab (P) only bands to red heroes.  Evil characters that could be converted to red are also not listed.

Missionary
In the list of cards referring to missionaries, there's no "and" between Timothy (TEC) and Titus Justus (TEC).

There's a comma missing between Apollos (TEC) and Aquila (Ap).  Maybe the Magicians stole it.

Barnabas, Mark, and Silas are missing versions - I think there should be BL, BU, DL, DU, L, UL and TEC versions for all 3.

(when converted from Saul) seems unnecessary for Paul, and isn't present in his other entries.

Pharaoh
In the list of cards referring to Pharaohs, Pharaoh's Throne Room (Pi) does not have the set identified.

Priest
Aaron (Pa) not listed.

Prophet
Not listed (Good):
Aaron (Pa and G)
Angel at Tomb (Pi)
Jacob (FF)
Moses (G)

Also, the Joshua 1/2 thing again.

And I believe this has the full list of versions for Barnabas and Silas. 

Not listed (Evil):
High Priest Caiaphas (Pi)

Roman and Roman Centurion
Cornelius (CU) not listed.

Roman Centurion
Both cards listed as referring to Roman Centurions only mention Centurion in their Special Ability.  Maybe add an entry for Centurion that redirects there, to help the uniformed find the correct list?  There's already a similar entry for Chief Priest to High Priest and Negative Effect to Harm.

Roman Soldier
Cornelius (CU) not listed.  And the other versions of Cornelius are listed twice.

Commas missing after Mocking Soldiers (Wa) and Mocking Soldiers (J).

Ruth
Ruth should have versions for BL, BU, DL and DU.

Spiritual Gifts in the Bible
Hospitality of Martha (Di) is missing.

Syrain
Leah (TP) is missing.

Quirinius (J) is spelled incorrectly - the r and the n are switched.  He's actually spelled wrong in every entry but Roman Governor, based on a quick search.

Tabernacle Priests
Aaron (Pa) not listed.

[RedemptionAggie]

Connected with David
David (Red) (Ki) does not refer to David (or at least cards connected with David).

Is the first list of cards supposed to be cards that refer to David, or cards that refer to cards connected with David?  It seems to be more geared toward the second, or it's missing a lot of cards.

Unified Kingdom is only listed as referring to David in the special ability - but David (Green) (Ki) looks for his name in the title or scripture verse, so it could be missed.  Maybe David in scripture verse should be listed before David in special ability?

Duplicate Cards

Unique character cards with the same card title and the same art or with the same title and the same brigade are considered duplicates for deck building purposes;

This isn't wrong, per se, it just seems incomplete - it could be interpreted to overrule the rulebook, which isn't limited to character cards.

Pharaoh
Are Egyptian King and Pharaoh functionally the same identifier?  Or are all Pharaohs Egyptian Kings, but not all Egyptian Kings Pharaohs?  Since Pharaoh's Throne Room references both, should there be an entry for Egyptian King that redirects, if they are the same?

Suggestions - General
Immune/Protect and Ignore should have a line about how they interact with multi-colored cards.

The errata should probably be listed somewhere more official than a thread on the boards, and the REG seems like a pretty good place.

[RedemptionAggie]

Suggestions/Questions - Glossary
There are separate entries for Roman Centurion/Emperor/Governor/Soldier - can we get something similar for other civilizations, particularly Assyrian/Babylonian/Syrian King? 

Dual-Alignment is referenced in some of the lists of cards - does that warrant it's own entry in the glossary?  I also think that either there or under "Neutral Card" (or both) it would be useful to mention that Dual-Alignment cards are considered neutral for deck-building purposes.

Does "Genesis Egyptian" warrant it's own glossary entry?  The Dreaming Pharaoh and Pharaoh's Baker both refer to them, and there's a decent sized list.

I think cards that refer to named characters - there's a lot of self-referential cards, and several of the Kings refer to other Kings - shouldn't be listed as cards that refer to whatever identifiers fit the named character.  It's not like Idolaters is listed as referring to a Priest.

Should a card that refers to a Civilization X (Site, King, etc.) be listed as referring to that Civilization - as opposed to just under the more restrictive list, if it has an entry?  Like Babylonian Banquet Hall under Babylonians, The Strong Force under Syrians, etc.  Similarly, should a card that refers to an X King (where X is a Civilization, like Assyrian), be listed as referring to a King?  Like The Strong Force or the Rabsaris.

Under "Mentioned in I or II Samuel", it specifically only lists red heroes, because that's what the only card that targets that identifier looks for.  However, other entries list both heroes and evil characters, regardless of what the ability is looking for.  With cards like Love (TEC), Gold Shield, and Training in Righteousness, it's possible to add or change to red brigade, so the list seems incomplete on 2 counts - especially since it's not one that's readily available on the card itself.  There's a similar potential issue with the lack of evil characters under II Chronicles 17-20 and 29-32 Heroes, but that may be because none exist.

Under "I Chronicles Hero" and "II Samuel" all the cards that target those identifiers have a further restriction of warrior-class, but even non-warrior-class heroes are listed.  AFAIK, there's not currently a way to add warrior-class, but with all the identifiers that can be granted, it could happen in the future.

The last 2 suggestions are basically looking for consistency (between different entries) and completeness (all characters that have the reference, if not the further restriction, if any) in lists of characters (at least those for specific references) - maybe broken down into categories kind of like Connected with David, when there are more restrictions - the specific brigade or warrior class, then other characters that need help to be valid targets.

[TheJaylor]

According to the Wiki King Lemuel is a musician but is not listed in the REG. Which is correct?

[jesse]

Amazing job, RedemptionAggie! Thank you for your diligence, thoroughness, and hard work on these corrections!

[Redoubter]

According to the Wiki King Lemuel is a musician but is not listed in the REG. Which is correct?

I am not aware of any qualifications for King Lemuel being a musician.  I would assume that is an error in the Wiki unless someone has some evidence to confirm.

[TheJaylor]

According to the Wiki King Lemuel is a musician but is not listed in the REG. Which is correct?

I am not aware of any qualifications for King Lemuel being a musician.  I would assume that is an error in the Wiki unless someone has some evidence to confirm.

I'm pretty sure all he really did was Proverbs 31 which isn't musical so I guess I'd assume it's a mistake on the Wiki.

[browarod]

According to the Wiki King Lemuel is a musician but is not listed in the REG. Which is correct?

The REG is updated by the playtesters/Elders, the Wiki is updated by us fan-type folk. If the Wiki is different than the REG always assume the REG is the correct one.

[TheJaylor]

According to the Wiki King Lemuel is a musician but is not listed in the REG. Which is correct?

The REG is updated by the playtesters/Elders, the Wiki is updated by us fan-type folk. If the Wiki is different than the REG always assume the REG is the correct one.

Yeah, that's my general rule of thumb, but with how big of a project the updated REG is, I could see it being pretty easy to miss the slightest details, as RedemptionAggie has proven.

[RedemptionAggie]

"Add/Take to Hand" and "Add to Battle" probably warrant their own REG entries at this point.

Also, somewhere it needs to be stated that you can't hold LSs in your hand if they aren't drawn.

[Redoubter]

"Add/Take to Hand" and "Add to Battle" probably warrant their own REG entries at this point.

This was discussed prior to the latest released, and is still being discussed for the future, working on some intricacies there.

Also, somewhere it needs to be stated that you can't hold LSs in your hand if they aren't drawn.

Good point.  This is a game rule that can never be overwritten, and should probably be in a LS entry.

[RedemptionAggie]

King Abijah and King Abijam are not listed under the duplicate cards entry.

[RedemptionAggie]

Siege (Wa) is listed as depicting a weapon.  Does it?  Siege (Ki) depicts one more clearly, but I thought the previous ruling was the Warriors version didn't.

[Praeceps]

Two questions:

• Is there a reason that many glossary entries seem to switch between a black and a green font? Or is that just my monitor/eyes?
• Should Destruction of Nehustan be added to the "Depicting an Idol entry?

[RedemptionAggie]

RE: Colors

Also, is it just me, or does the text change colors in the some of the lists in the glossary?

Consistent colors is another thing I'll be working on in the next REG, there are a lot of formatting irregularities that appeared due to multiple edit time periods.

[Redoubter]

As Aggie noted, unified color themes will be coming in a future update.  There were small updates to many of the lists that ended up messing with the schemes used, it will get fixed, it's not just your computer.

• Should Destruction of Nehustan be added to the "Depicting an Idol entry?

Answered in the ruling thread, but it does not currently meet the definition.

[Praeceps]

Thanks for both answers, I wasn't sure if that was the case or if there was some secret, to me at least, reason for the differing colors