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Title: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 19, 2015, 05:41:16 PM
Please let us know what you think about the above poll question...
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 20, 2015, 02:34:28 PM
The poll is live now, please let us know your top preference in the above options. Thanks so much for your help. I will be sending out a nice little thank you prize to one of our random poll takers. I will contact you if your name is chosen.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: jbeers285 on March 20, 2015, 03:36:20 PM
I am interested in testing most of these ideas but I don't want to cast a vote when I have no experiences with them.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Eragon5 on March 20, 2015, 03:53:19 PM
I concur with jbeers, these look like fun ideas all. It was a tough choice  ;). For future voters, could you clarify what cards would be limited/banned. Are you talking about something like a tournament where no dominants can be used, or only cards from certain expansions could be used? I think tournaments where all players are restricted in their cards choices could be quite interesting and fun.

For sure, a lot of these ideas would be fun to try. Happy polling everyone  :D.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Lampy 2.0 on March 20, 2015, 04:26:55 PM
I'm all for a mulligan rule. However, considering the way the game works, mulliganing would be interesting.

Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 20, 2015, 05:30:38 PM
Will TLG tournaments be replacing Cactus tournaments?
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Gabe on March 20, 2015, 05:46:59 PM
Will TLG tournaments be replacing Cactus tournaments?

I hope they are an additional option. StarCityGames independent tourneys for MTG have been a huge success for that game. It would be awesome if TLG is able to offer that kind of support for Redemption!
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Alex_Olijar on March 20, 2015, 06:10:46 PM
Is mulligan really winning? :(
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 20, 2015, 06:21:06 PM
The TLG events are going to be an additional option as Gabe eluded to. With Rob's blessing we will be testing some or all of these ideas in the very near future. Once polling has completed I will elaborate on how we will be going about these ideas.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: LukeChips on March 20, 2015, 06:24:22 PM
I would keep the tournaments the same, just so you don't confuse new players on what to bring to what tournament.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 21, 2015, 09:03:08 AM
The thing is that TLG events are testing grounds for new rules that Cactus may implement in the future so if anything TLG events will help new players know what may be coming down the pipeline in the future

Also...if you voted, please reply in this thread with the word voted so you can be a part of my random drawing for a nice prize to one of you for helping me out.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Eragon5 on March 21, 2015, 09:15:45 AM
Voted :).
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 21, 2015, 09:19:12 AM
I voted. We have discussed the idea of the mulligan before, which I like only if there are stipulations related to drawn LSs being put in play.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 21, 2015, 09:30:11 AM
We have play tested several ways to do it and keeping drawn LSs in play defeats part of the purpose of doing a mulligan. More to come on that later though. Don't want to turn this into a discussion thread just yet.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 21, 2015, 10:59:21 AM
We have play tested several ways to do it and keeping drawn LSs in play defeats part of the purpose of doing a mulligan. More to come on that later though. Don't want to turn this into a discussion thread just yet.

In that case it would matter, because I would recant my vote for a mulligan. I would never support a mulligan rule that does not keep drawn LSs in play.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: jesse on March 21, 2015, 11:17:05 AM
Voted! Thanks
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: browarod on March 21, 2015, 02:57:29 PM
I voted for mulligan, but I have the same stipulation as YMT. A mulligan should not be an engine for droughting the opponent.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 21, 2015, 03:27:46 PM
YMT...I never said it didn't matter...just that we can hammer out the finer points later. I want the votes to be based on what you would prefer happening, not how you would prefer it happen.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Gabe on March 21, 2015, 03:35:50 PM
I've started a thread (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/redemption-card-play/mulligan-in-redemption/new/#new) to discuss ideas for a mulligan in Redemption.

Also, I voted.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 21, 2015, 03:41:44 PM
YMT...I never said it didn't matter...just that we can hammer out the finer points later. I want the votes to be based on what you would prefer happening, not how you would prefer it happen.

Then you are missing the point. I refuse to vote for mulligans if there is any chance that LSs would not be put into play. For the purpose of this poll (since I already voted), when the final tally is counted, just subtract one from mulligan (my old vote) and add one to sideboards (my new vote).
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Ironica on March 21, 2015, 04:13:16 PM
It was between a mulligan and a one deck only options but in the end, I went with the one deck option.  This should cut back on the "pay to win" style that some people use (spend enough money for three identical decks and rotate them after HP use).

The 2 out of 3 games is actually a tournament option as is so there's no reason to vote for that.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 21, 2015, 04:24:18 PM
Where is 2 of 3 an option that is utilized currently? I would love to talk to whomever is currently using it to glean some knowledge.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Redoubter on March 21, 2015, 04:31:45 PM
This should cut back on the "pay to win" style that some people use (spend enough money for three identical decks and rotate them after HP use).

Is this really still a thing?  I'm not sure with the protection and instead out there that HP is such a huge card that it necessitates this strategy, and I haven't seen the strategy you mentioned be used of late...

I'm always for multiple decks checked in for large tournaments, though I could see cutting it down to 2 at the largest and 1 for smaller ones.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Ironica on March 21, 2015, 04:34:47 PM
This should cut back on the "pay to win" style that some people use (spend enough money for three identical decks and rotate them after HP use).

Is this really still a thing?  I'm not sure with the protection and instead out there that HP is such a huge card that it necessitates this strategy, and I haven't seen the strategy you mentioned be used of late...

I'm always for multiple decks checked in for large tournaments, though I could see cutting it down to 2 at the largest and 1 for smaller ones.

TBH, I haven't been to a large tournament in years so I don't know if that's still big.  However, the multi-deck rule still favors those with funds more than those without.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Master Q on March 23, 2015, 08:55:14 PM
I voted for sideboards. I could imagine it being like this:

Your sideboard is equal to the number of lost souls in your deck.

You may have:
1 Dominant max (no SoG or NJ, Dominant total between your deck and sideboard can exceed Dominant cap)
3 Arts/Forts max
1 Site max (Site total between your deck and sideboard cannot exceed Lost Souls in your deck)
any amount of other cards

No sideboard 1st turn. Each draw phase, if the turn player has a Lost Soul in play, he may remove a card he owns from his hand or territory (except Lost Soul) from the game to take a card from his sideboard.

You should only be allowed 1 deck at tournaments anyway; with the sideboard you can mitigate your deck's weaknesses and lead to some more strategic games. This also brings up another thing that I think is important: Type 1 decks should be limited to 70 cards. I played a 150 card deck at nationals this past year, and while it was fun for me (top 8 ), it definitely wasn't fun for my opponents. That would also prevent sideboards from being too advantageous for bigger decks.

Best two of three would take too long, card cycle would be impractical, banning might be ok, depending on what would be banned. The only other option that really intrigues me is the Mulligan rule.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 23, 2015, 09:02:26 PM
Again...not wanting to talk specifics here but thanks for your input!
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: galadgawyn on March 24, 2015, 03:44:49 AM
I voted.

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Where is 2 of 3 an option that is utilized currently?

I think that might be in the tournament guide where it also lists other options that are never played like single or double elimination instead of swiss.

I voted for mulligan but that doesn't really excite me as an alternative, it is just a rule that should have been official years ago (like the first player doesn't draw rule). 
Getting rules for sideboarding, 2 of 3, or alternate formats are more interesting.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: redemption collector 777 on March 24, 2015, 01:10:23 PM
placed a vote :)
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 24, 2015, 01:34:03 PM
I will be locking this thread on Thursday at noon Eastern time.

Please vote and post that you voted so that you name will be in the drawing for a nice prize! Thanks again for all of you initial input on this question and we look forward to rolling out our primary TLG tournament offerings in the next few months.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: jbeers285 on March 24, 2015, 01:38:26 PM
I voted
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Red Wing on March 24, 2015, 01:47:58 PM
I voted for one deck. A sideboard would be interesting, but I'm not sure if it could be practically implemented.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: YourMathTeacher on March 24, 2015, 03:45:07 PM
Easter time? Is that as in Easter Island, or Thursday of next week?   ;)
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: mjwolfe on March 24, 2015, 06:42:29 PM
I voted.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Red on March 24, 2015, 07:21:23 PM
I voted!
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Minion of Jesus on March 24, 2015, 10:31:05 PM
I voted.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: EmJayBee83 on March 24, 2015, 10:40:14 PM
I voted!  Not only that, but I was the first vote!
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Redoubter on March 24, 2015, 10:44:05 PM
I voted!  Not only that, but I was the first vote!

Thus was answered the age-old question: Can one post "FIRST!" on the second page of a message board thread?

I did NOT vote, by the way, I'm more interested in the discussions about each of these that have erupted ;)
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: whiteandgold7 on March 24, 2015, 10:56:29 PM
I voted.  Don't change anything.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: cincyoldguy on March 24, 2015, 11:50:40 PM
I voted for one deck and would again.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Chris on March 25, 2015, 02:02:47 AM
I voted and all I got was this lousy post.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: _JM_ on March 25, 2015, 08:02:44 AM
I voted as well.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: thejambi on March 25, 2015, 09:06:15 AM
I voted too.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: New Raven BR on March 25, 2015, 09:17:59 AM
ok I would like to give my thoughts on most of the choices for voting

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Banning/Limiting cards
does there really need to be banned cards?
yugioh is very well known for banning and limiting their cards, Magic on the other hand only limits theirs depending on which type of playing on Friday Night Magic your trying to play in. Redemption as far as I know is the ONLY game that doesn't have cards on a ban list, and in my mind, that's the way things need to be cause if we were to ban cards, then Redemption would just become like any other card game. now as far as limited goes, I think that should apply to type 2. but if we're talking of banning Samaritan water jar, then that would be the only exception I would have

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Creating a card cycle
can someone please explain this part to me? I don't understand whatsoever

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Implementing a mulligan rule
ok so there have been talks that there needs to be a mulligan rule, going back to magic, MTG does that, yugioh though doesn't, but in Redemption's case, I think there should be a mulligan rule, but have it to where you have to reshuffle your drawn souls and then redraw 8 cards


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Using a best 2 of 3 system
this is what I voted and why is simply cause that would give me a chance to play more games, and to me that's a huge plus


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Adding a deck sideboard
if I could vote more then one, I would have added this vote too.
going once again, back to magic and yugioh, they both have sideboards and I like the idea of having a sideboard cause it adds variety to the game and to one's strategy

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Checking in only one deck
ok I must say about this; yes and no, I think this idea could be a pretty good one but one thing I think needs to happen for this is, the sideboard idea has to go along with checking in one deck so a player can make the changes they need, before and after every round.
I think there should be a test tournament variation when it comes to decks is either; 2 decks no sideboard or one deck with sideboard

Im not mentioning "leave things the way they are" because, in my personal opinion and I think this would apply to most people on the boards who play the game would agree with me on this part but, currently in the game's situation, things don't need to stay the same cause if some things don't change, then we won't see growth in the game and it will go any other direction but downward
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: browarod on March 25, 2015, 10:12:46 AM
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Creating a card cycle
can someone please explain this part to me? I don't understand whatsoever
A card cycle is like what Magic does for their primary categories: The only "valid" cards are ones from a subset of recent sets, something like from the last 2 years or whatever.

For Redemption that would mean something like all sets older than Priests are no longer tournament-legal. Or all sets older than Women, or older than G/H, something like that.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: TheHobbit13 on March 25, 2015, 12:22:36 PM
I feel like cycling will be the way to go to keep the game fresh after cactus stops producing cards.
I voted.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: soul seeker on March 25, 2015, 12:31:14 PM
I did vote, but I'm not sure why I'm posting since I never win raffles.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: whiteandgold7 on March 25, 2015, 01:37:30 PM
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Creating a card cycle
can someone please explain this part to me? I don't understand whatsoever
A card cycle is like what Magic does for their primary categories: The only "valid" cards are ones from a subset of recent sets, something like from the last 2 years or whatever.

For Redemption that would mean something like all sets older than Priests are no longer tournament-legal. Or all sets older than Women, or older than G/H, something like that.

Also, in magic, that cycling only affects one of four formats of play, in magic you are referring to standard.  Modern includes cards through the 8th edition cards forward.  Also good to note, magic's standard and modern decks are buiilt card quantities the way type 2 decks are build up to four of any card in a 60 card deck (the number of cards in the deck is where this differs from our type 2), also they have one format called commander which is also still played where its a 100 card deck, and you can have no more than 1 of any cards per deck (this is more like type 1 except that there are more cards in this category, and this category doesn't preclude you from using cards based upon when they released. It only precludes you from using cards that are "banned" from play, not cycling.

Steven
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Lampy 2.0 on March 25, 2015, 02:53:09 PM
I voted.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: yirgogo on March 25, 2015, 03:54:35 PM
The poll shows 13 people voted for not having 3 decks submitted in a tournament, so I would argue that either getting down to sideboard or 1 deck should also be a discussion, which one, who is for it, who is against it.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: Redoubter on March 25, 2015, 04:21:59 PM
The poll shows 13 people voted for not having 3 decks submitted in a tournament...

Just since this keeps coming up, 3 decks can only  be submitted if you have 6+ rounds of play, so generally Nationals.  Otherwise it is 2 decks maximum.
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: New Raven BR on March 25, 2015, 05:30:42 PM
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Creating a card cycle
can someone please explain this part to me? I don't understand whatsoever
A card cycle is like what Magic does for their primary categories: The only "valid" cards are ones from a subset of recent sets, something like from the last 2 years or whatever.

For Redemption that would mean something like all sets older than Priests are no longer tournament-legal. Or all sets older than Women, or older than G/H, something like that.
I don't like that idea. I don't play much and that would only exclude me and others who play with older cards from the game
Title: Re: POLL: Preference about potential changes used in TLG Tournaments.
Post by: uthminister [BR] on March 26, 2015, 03:59:02 PM
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